Jim L

Judo has had unlimited OT for about a decade it is not working well. In high level close matches competitors often converse energy and minimize attacks saving everything for the inevitable OT with a single score winning the match. Too often they also rely on penalties are try to game the system not to score but to try to get a penalty called on their opponent (OT only ends with three penalties which is a DQ). Too many gold medal matches were won on penalties and IMO Judo penalties are easier to call and usually more obvious if when person deserves a penalty. We have all seen in Geco when there is no scoring and both wrestlers equally deserve a stall call the ref randomly picks one. It is so hard to score in high level Greco. I imagine a large percentage of OT matches would be decided by penalties which would be terrible. Unlimited OT is not the answer. Not that I have a good answer as the real problem is the number of 1-1 matches that both scores are penalties. Deciding which wrestler go the first penalty and which one deserves to win because of that is not a real solution. My solution is to add foot sweeps and trips with no leg grabbing, while we are at it add arm bar submissions as well. We have seen for too many years how hard it is good score in Greco and the result has been a really terrible sport.

I assuming that you mean Dan Gable. He wasn't making the final for a world/Olympic world as a HSer

Thread isn't about who would have had the best career, but who would have received the most NIL. Pico is a good answer, some of the most impressive results ever for a HSer

Great trivia questions! Finding "full-grown" adult men in the US who could make 105 led to interesting results. I have to think if it was still a international weight class with the current level of High Schoolers we would be seeing HS freshman competing for world teams

Gotta be a 105 lb guy. Eiter?

The politics of the IOC wanting to drop wrestling has every little to do with its worldwide popularity. It is not popular in Western Europe which dominates the IOC. And that decision was hugely unpopular. For years after people who weren't sports fan and knew nothing about wrestling other than that I used to wrestle would mention what a terrible decision that was.

10+years ago when MMA was really starting to grow lots of wrestling fans (including myself) thought that this would be great for wrestling and it really has not happened. Kids interested in MMA now will either get involved in BJJ or just train pure MMA which is an option now. Getting wrestling closely associated with MMA is a doubled edged sword. It may attract more of the aggressive kids who need an outlet but turn off the less confident, hard working type, especially if they don't come from a wrestling family. For parents who don't know much about wrestling being close tied to MMA is not going to help encourage them to encourage their kids to wrestle. IMO, most non wrestling families that are not in the few wrestling hot spots in the US fanow very little about the sport, but there is general feeling that it is required discipline hard work and technique and can accomodate athletes of any size MMA is almost like the WWF back in my day. Very popular and had many ex-wreslters and attracted kids to "real" wrestling but questionable if it was good for the sport overall

I get them too. Terrible click bait. Great headlines, then an articles with terrible writing (I assume usually AI generated) with tons of ads and you have to scroll and scroll to get to part of the article you are actually want to read I assume they are algorithmically driven based on your browser history as I also get articles based on the others things I look at on the web( biking, hiking, NFL) Lots of top ten lists as well. I am like Charlie Brown with the football with this. I know shouldn't do it, but can't help myself, maybe this time it will be different.

Agreed. Making wrestling a feeder system to MMA is not a good idea. Most MMA fans wants the excitement/violence of punches and kicks and KOs. They do not appreciate a well executed double leg. If they appreciate grappling at all is is likely they like or practice BJJ and the things we like about mat wrestling (back points and pins) do not make sense to a BJJ fans

That almost never happens at high level FS matches. Riding time is often huge factor in NCAA matches

Alexander Medved (arguably the greatest wrestler of all time) did not start wrestling until he was 19. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Aleksandr-Medved

Refs should be able to officiate a FS and folkstyle match. REffing any wrestling match is hard, I wouldn't be able to do it, but don't think the FS rules are that hard to learn for a good tref. There wont be perfection, but I don't think that is a good argument against. The amount of HS coaches who will be able to be adequately coach in FS is questionable a well. But it is not that different for most high school level athletes. I think with the growth of girls wrestling on the youth and HS level, colleges starting offer scholarships and being focused on FS from the start, US women's wrestling is poised to become the best in the world (or at least a strong second to Japan)

Fix yes Valencia popped for non PED drug Oliver - maybe, wasn't it ADHD medication with minimal performance enhancing benefits? Everyone else is MMA or Pro wrestling guys with little evidence of being users in college (besides Lesnar's physique)

Jamil Kelley maybe number one of the list of the greatest NCAA wrestlers never to have AA'd

After a quick glance, I thought he was talking about fixing up his wispy facial hair with a good shave.

I will believe it when he steps on an NCAA mat with a PSU singlet

To.be fait, lots of posters eating are their words throughout this thread . Nobody with any wresting knowledge believed Hendrickson had a decent chance of winning. A few said, maybe there is chance because Hendrickson is a winner, without any real conviction. Steveson was so dominant this season against a lineup of great heavyweights. To my eye he was the dominant NCAA wrestler I have ever seen.

Three finalists should be considered a great result. I would not care about team places if I had three of my wrestlers in the finals. Losing all three finals would suck though.

If Carter Starocci ends up with credit for 5 titles without an asterisk, then Haselrig should get credit for 6 without an asterisk. In reality, they both should have asterisks, as there were special circumstances to both of these achievements

Electrifying moment but not shocking as Rohn was a pinner and had beat Lambrecht earlier in the season. He also was winning halfway through the 2nd we Lambrecht started titling him. It was surprising how easily Rohn got tilted.

Yes, seems like an a$$hole attitude to me. Why not make the sport as accessible as possible? Some kids who are insecure and face difficulties will stick with wrestling and grow and some will even have a valuable life changing experience. Most kids will move on and wrslting will not be a big part of their youth. Everyone will face difficult times in their lives. I don't see how a kid's lack of confidence at age 11 dooms him for the rest of his life.

To me if feels different because the state of college wrestling is in much worse state than during the Gable era, based on the number DI teams. Also NIL and transfer rules seem that they will negatively effect 95% of the remaining college teams. Having one dominant team and a very limited number that can even compete for a podium spot makes the future of NCAA DI wrestling uncertain.

Starting watching 100%. I started watching this last night and quickly l lost interested. I saw it happen in real life and a movie that is somewhat inaccurate is not of interest to me. IMO, one of the greatest moments in any sports was seeing Robles "sprint" out of the tunnel onto the finals mat and hand off his crutches and hop to the center of the mat. No movie can come close to capturing that moment.

Adding some international flavor. Lopez Azcuy(Cuba) v. Hasasnov (AZE) for Bronze in 2012 Olympics in the bad, old, best- of-three period format. Hasanov gets the go ahead with 30 seconds and Lopez losing with 11 seconds to go, gets a 5 point throw, then a pin, and pounds the chest of the still flat Hasanov, then pounds his chest and then rips his singlet. Epic! Starting at 22:00 https://youtu.be/pdS0LXb7d4k?si=c0mMpdE0jqZMgjsQ

WTF are you doing that is so intense that you cant even hold water down?