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As I'm sure lu_alum is discovering, the scores appear to all be a bit off. I'm sure he'll ferret out the doc bug.

@scourge165 Cool. Good talk. Now let's maybe focus on the NCAA's. It's time - wrestling's biggest week is about to start. Looking forward to the big event. I've got Warner on my fantasy team at 197... Go Iowa!

And that tie's up the loose ends. (If you'd like to continue repeating what you've read, by all means do so.)

S1 - Thu 11a CST, First Round - ESPN+ & ESPNU All 8 individual mats - ESPN+ S2 - Thu 6p CST, Second Round - ESPN+ & ESPN All 8 individual mats - ESPN+ S3 - Fri 11a CST, Qtr's - ESPN+ & ESPNU All 8 individual mats - ESPN+ S4 - Fri 7p CST, Semi's (& Blood round) - ESPN+ & ESPN All 6 individual mats - ESPN+ S5 -Sat 10a CST, Medal Round - ESPN+ & ESPNU All 4 individual mats - ESPN+ S6 - Sat 6p CST, Finals - ESPN+ & ESPN It appears ESPN made it simple this year... nicely done. ESPN+ for hardcore fans who want to see all mats in every session ESPN (evenings) & ESPNU (mornings) will each cover 3 sessions with a single stream

I don't believe you are purposely being misleading, but I do believe you are letting your emotions cloud your judgement and are bending reality to fit better with your message. I did get around to checking the NPR link you provided - and, no, it doesn't mention any soldier who was raped and mutiliated. Any mention I've seen of it are from dubious sources. As I said, it appears to be "not real" news. (Not screaming here, just making a statement.) Do I know that it is? No, of course not. It could be real - but, I have no way of confirming that and you've provided nothing of value in terms of confirmation (and it is interesting that you seem to flip flop between claiming it is real and then claiming you don't know for sure - hint, from what you've provided so far, logic dictates it's the second one.) How atrocious an event is or isn't - it isn't relevant to the level of confidence we should have in it as factual news. In other words, because its atrocious that shouldn't sway us into believing it. The internet has filled our lives with liars and cheats. Doubting "news" isn't disgusting, it's strongly advised. I am anything but an expert on what is happening there. That is why I'm careful not to easily believe what I'm told. No hard feelings from my side, these types of conversations tend to get heated. I'm out. Bigger and better things going on in the wrestling world for the rest of the week.

Nobody here is 'yelling fake news' - that's your imagination yelling. I detest the term and avoid using it if at all possible. Just check yourself - it's all in this thread! You used the "Nation wide" phrase... Oh Christ, I give up, I'm arguing with a stubborn child here. Gather yourself and maybe we'll do better tomorrow evening.

You seem to have forgotten the details of the previous topic of fake news. C'mon, wake up. Doesn't apply here. Now you're reaching for history that is irrelevant to the current discussion? You're desperate, and passionate. The last half I can appreciate.

Prove me wrong - then I will apologize. I'd never heard of it before, your reference was weak to begin with, and you basically claimed you didn't really know in a follow up post. Do your best.

Read carefully - "unprovoked attack" is not the same as an attempt to invade and eliminate another country. Israel/Palestine do the former all the time, but not so much the latter. You do have a reading problem - a selective one. Read all the words and you'll understand better.

Not an argument I made, not at all. Don't make me repost what I've already posted. I have no "line in the sand", I've made that clear multiple times. Again, don't make your reading problem my problem. Read my posts. You seem to believe it wasn't "covered" in the US. But by all means of internet searches, it doesn't appear to have happened from any country's perspective. It does appear to be fake news. But go on, blame me and call me names. Whatever makes you feel better.

Check yourself. You're first mention of "Azerbaijan" was AFTER my post about "Nation Wide" above. I don't claim to be an expert or authority on anything I am not.

That was not "the argument" being made by anyone here. That was you alone posting that. And then you've added the question of our culture being OK with "rape"? With no factual basis. Your attempts here are weak. You've lost any credibility you may have started to earn.

I asked that he do better, because it was vague. What he posted, and what you posted here are two very different things. Not sure what to make of it. Now it's moved past vague and to inconsistent. Fruitful conversation will be difficult when it starts with vague and inconsistent comments.

"Nation Wide." Hmmm... not in my nation. I've never seen it celebrated here. I know nothing of it. Perhaps you are being manipulated?

Got away with what? What's your point? Rape is never excusable. If you'd like to engage in a serious conversation, you'll need to do better than this.

We are missing each other. Not that we necessarily disagree, just that we aren't focused on the same things. Russia - should be rejected, clear and simple, from the Olympic Games. Their demonstrated actions are inexcusable. China - THREATENING to invade Taiwan. Yes, they are. But until they do, it isn't an action - it's a threat. As far as the treatment of Uigars in China, is it ethnic cleansing? I don't know. Facts are hard to come by when events are taking place in China. I don't pretend to know more than I do. So many feel the need for a 'standard' or 'line' that we can use to distinguish between B&W. Unfortunately, most of world's problems are gray. Seeking a 'line' is a fool's errand.

Not at all. I'm setting neither precedent nor standards. I'm simply saying that I don't think Russia should be allowed to participate. What about China? What about South Africa? What about other examples over the years? ... you're engaging in "whataboutism". I'm not. The scope of my discussion is Russia and the upcoming Olympics.

I wouldn't describe it as all that B&W. Like a lot of things life throws our way, it's complicated. Imagine having a guy join your wrestling team who just last week snuck into your cousins' house, beat them up, and took their stuff. That's kind of how I feel about the situation. (Pipe down if you want to argue that it isn't a good analogy. It isn't, I know. But it does help illustrate how "I" feel about the topic - which is exactly my point.) None of this makes anybody on the wrestling team or coaches of the wrestling team an angel, nor any of the cousins. Arguing that they make mistakes, too is just more of the all too common "what-about-ism" that leads nowhere.

I vote new thread... but, hey, I'm just a rookie here. A rooke that appears to be in a solid position to win it, that is!

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