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Amos with a major decision, then Gordon falls to Hillger by dec. Final score Wisc 23-17 over UNI

Hamiti looking slick against #14 Yant

All good - looks like the meat of the dual is getting cranked up now. Thanks, FC, for posting.

When I thought about experienced dudes, I hadn't usually thought of you. But I will now. That's some serious experience. I always liked you as a poster. Much respect to you as a wrestler, too

The trick will be to see them re-elected. Either the voters don't know, don't care, or there's some other carrot in their view. Then again, could be a great person who made a bad mistake and is voting against it to make it right. That's not all bad.

I don't know. I haven't looked into that particular subject in that level of detail. I suspect one could find out in a relatively short time - but, then again, I'm not sure of that either. In a conversation, sometimes admitting that we just don't know is a pretty good answer to a question.

Listening to 'real' experts, helps us understand how much of a non-expert we all are. Maybe we are knowledgeable, but after we are able to review the expert contributions, the difference between our knowledge and theirs is clear and quantifiable. If it wasn't clear, we can engage in honest conversation with the experts for clarification. Healthy dialog. Listening to 'fake' experts on the internet, has the opposite effect. They create arguments with others rather than contribute in any meaningful way. Their ongoing arguments spread anger and displace any notion of knowledge being the point. A lot of finger-pointing, kicking, screaming, and dialog as you'd have with a rambunctious child. The same model applies for politicians in Congress at this very moment.

Now that is an interesting perspective. Consider the question - which scenario is more of an existential horror? Life is a simulation, we are all digital data forms interacting on a massive scale computing engine. Conventional wisdom where we are born, we live, we die and turn to dust. Until the Sun expires and we all die The simulation one seems like much less of an existential horror.

Can confirm.

As a Minnesota guy, Pat McKee is an obvious nominee - as is Nagao. Other guys in the lineup are also fireworks against the right opponents. But if I had to pick one Gopher to be my "favorite to watch", it'd be Isaiah Salazar.

One last parting thought. Imagine if somebody was charged with creating a simple one-page image that communicates decades of hard science by many thousands of learned professionals in a way that everybody in the country can understand. All of nutritional science boiled down to a single image that communicates .. 'Hey, do this.' It was a flawed idea - never had a chance at succeeding. Nutritional science is fine. Food pyramid was dumb from the start. Go ahead, somebody try to make a 30"x42" poster that explains wrestling so we all know how to do it. Good luck.

In case you forgot, This thing started between us when I made posts that the food pyramid is not science and that it isn't good. Now we've got a bozo who claims I'm defending it and is now posting garbage 'noise' posts like a lunatic. How quickly an intelligent conversation can turn bad. LBJ - In all seriousness, if you ever again wonder why people can't use their intelligence to discuss and come to a mutual understanding. You're witnessing it right now.

Except one thing... Nobody in this thread is defending the food pyramid, right? I know I'm not.

Re-read my posts - I've been consistent from the beginning. Another good example is masks at the beginning of Covid. The 'messaging' was that we don't need to wear masks. That was not science, that was messaging. That was based on the intention of stopping a massive panic buyout of masks which would be problematic for the medical personnel that needed them - and for the country that depended on those same medical personnel. Agree or not with that reasoning (personally, I don't) - that's what it was. The actual science was always that masks do work, to some degree or another, to help stop the spread of airborne viruses like Covid. It's important not to confuse the science with the messaging. As I've explained in detail previously, they are not the same. The most troubling portion is that folks now feel comfortable questioning science... when, in fact, they should be questioning the messaging. The science is sound.

We still seem to be missing each other. I'm not even remotely defending the food pyramid. Nor those that funded, benefitted, or continue to benefit. My point is (and was the entire time) that the food pyramid is not science. It is heavily simplified messaging. That's an important point because there is a huge difference between questioning science and questioning messaging like the food pyramid. Nutritional hard science is still very solid, even if the messaging being sent is questionable. When people question science and point out the food pyramid as an example - they are making a mistake. Not the same.

We seem to be missing each other on this particular topic. The food pyramid isn't hard science, it just isn't. It's that middle message that is in between hard nutritional science people and everyday people. We need that, because they don't speak the same language. Without it, we'd mostly rely on infomercials and diet fads for our health advice. So how does hard science get reduced to simple messaging? Poorly in many cases. As solid as the science may be, it's complicated - and boiling it down to something that is simple is problematic. Try to make Calculus simple. How about explaining how computers and phones are actually purely only processing long strings of 0's and 1's in a simple way. Complicated things aren't any less complicated when they are simplified - the simplified versions always fall short in the eyes of somehow who understands the subject well. The food pyramid just isn't all that good from the perspective of someone who knows a lot about nutrition. But it is quite helpful for someone who knows less about nutrition - which is the exact point.

... Ah, so THAT's why that KC Chiefs bar in Philly was closed tonight. Seemed like an unprofitable decision. But was probably going to turn into a "Purge" movie in real life. "Purge - Superbowl LVII, PHI's Revenge"

Agree with @jmoney - These two are seriously skilled and always fun to watch. As far as Askren goes, it's a tough bet either way. But he's a crypto guy - so he knows all about betting on the wrong horse. Great Minn v Wisc dual - an even matchup that came down to the last match. Minnesota is next up at the B1G tournament, go Gophers!

OK, I'll help you out. The Food pyramid is based on science - but it's an interpretation of science to present guidelines that are intended for regular people to be able to understand and follow. Kind of like designing a car requires a huge amount of science, but teaching driving lessons requires very little.

Oh, for Pete's sake. You consider the 'food pyramid' to be "science"? ... and here I was, just thinking we were getting to common ground.

1. You're wrong there - When Trump became president, more came. He even declared it a national emergency and he was unable to stop the migration. (Not a surprise, since nobody has been able to do that in 50+ years) 2. Nope - Trump made that claim, but almost none of them did. Promises were made, and early all were cancelled. 3. Infinitely ridiculous - If your employer gives attention to the 'fat orange guy' and his awful rants. Find a new job.

Nothing new, just some home cookin' at Carver. If it weren't for Parris taking advantage of some Cassi'sloppy wrestling - it might have made a difference. It didn't. Nice work by Parris to keep it out of the ref's hands. Can't do it much better than that.

Willie Nelson is an absolute national treasure. Now - you may or may not appreciate the sound of his guitar, or you may or may not appreciate his voice. But that's just personal preference. As a musician, guitar player, songwriter, and performer, his ability is second to no one.

Except you are wrong multiple times here - I'm not biased, I just had to live through it like all of the rest of us: "He" had nearly zero policies other than to follow the Republican party's lead. No blinders here, "his" policies were either to delegate party policy or to engage in his personal pursuits. That was it. His leadership was nonexistent. "America 1st" was nothing more than a silly marketing slogan to get him elected. Of course, we all want to put America 1st - all of us. But it is an interweaved complex world we live in that makes it difficult - if not impossible - to separate us from the rest of the word. We're all on the same planet together, so we all need to succeed together. Shutting us off from the rest of the world is what a country like China has done - didn't work out well for them. "Secured the border" - Um, no. The border wasn't secured in the 70's, and it isn't secured now. Trump didn't secure the border any more or less than anyone in over 50 yrs. Because it's especially hard, with no easy solutions. "Build wall" isn't/wasn't/will-never-be a solution. That much is obvious, we all know that.

I have to say, we should all love ourselves.