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That was the car, but the year was 1980 so my first car was 7 years old when I got it.

1973 Ford Mustang Convertible. Canary yellow in color, which I liked a lot but mine did NOT look this good.

After seeing what Sealy did this past wknd at Journeyman and knowing he won a cadet worlds, I am guessing Sealy wasn't 100 percent for those prior matches. No worries about him at all.

He said he wanted to go where he could best reach his goals.

I listened to that Basch-A-Mania. Kid was born with a rare disease that required a bone marrow transplant. Sounded pretty serious. He sounds very grounded and humble today. He said God and family are at the center of his life.

Did all your first cars look as good as these pics? My first car was in bad need of a fresh coat of paint.

Boring

This dynamic duo interview each other while titling their podcast GOAT Talk. "Tell me what is your favorite food" "Tell me what is your favorite music" "What's it like to be the Goat? "Probably the same for me as for you" (batting eyelashes) That has to be the most self aggrandizement I have seen in a while. Then for both to lose so ingloriously seems quite the achievement.

Kemp vs O Toole is probably a nice match, but you may as well quiz people about Milo of Croton where this discussion is concerned. Milo of Croton vs Sadulaev, who ya got? Lots of ancient Greeks will be rolling over in their graves if you pick Sadulaev. The 1970s and Antiquity are one in the same here.

Let me give you the short story on Bobby Jones vs Tiger Woods. This will offer you one more example of this very basic premise. Bobby Jones won a higher percentage of the golf majors he played in than any golfer who ever lived. The second guy on that list is not even close, so on that statistic alone anyone could make the claim that he is the best golfer who ever lived. But would Bobby Jones at his very best be predicted to defeat a modern golfer like Tiger Woods? No. When Jones played they didn't use wedges, they used a far inferior club called a niblick. His "irons" and "drivers" were made out of persimmon wood. The ball he used was a wound rubber band covered with sap from the balata tree. And Jones felt good about that golf ball because at least it wasn't "gutta percha" or, worse, a "feathery". Modern golfers like Tiger Woods use graphite and carbon in his golf clubs, modern resin layered golf balls covered in urethane that travel much farther than balatas, wedges that were precision milled, and he had launch monitors to illustrate every minute imperceptible to the human eye statistic about his golf swing, its plane and his launch angle. Golf has evolved. Jones as he knew and played the game would not be competitive on today's professional tour. Bringing Bobby Jones into the future and hypothesizing that same win rate is folly. There is no way to do it. If you brought the Banachs or McIlreavys into today's world the easier leap to make is that they might have just chosen to wrestle for Cael Sanderson. He is the best right now and his strategies have beaten those used by Dan Gable. Just utilizing the skill set they had learned on the past when they wrestled and bringing it forward to wrestle today I think the PSU Sanderson trained wrestler wins. If anyone wants to see an actual niblick then head to your nearby muni course and look for the 88 year old golfers. Some of those guys still keep one in the bag. Nostalgia is a wonderful thing.

Do you think Bobby Jones would defeat Tiger Woods?

You are answering a different question than what was asked. The asked question is Iowa's best vs PSU's best and who would win. Since we know that Sanderson's techniques have replaced Iowa's best style we also know that today's PSU wrestlers would defeat Iowa's Gable led wrestlers. Look at this another way. A guy like Marinelli might be a 3x Champ back in the Gable era. In the current era he never came close. But if he were 30 years older he'd be in the pantheon of Iowa wrestling lore. Wrestling has evolved. It is different today. What won Championships in the 1980's and 1990's gets you sixth place today.

That is correct. Every line up posted in this thread for Iowa has 9 wrestlers from the Dan Gable era and 1 wrestler from the Tom Brands era which is a basic continuation of the Dan Gable era just without the same results. And why do they not have the same results? Because Sanderson's wrestlers have changed the sport. Wrestling has evolved.

The sport has evolved under Sanderson. His guys would beat the old Iowa style. They already have beaten that style time and time again. This hypo does not make the Iowa style better.

There are literally many thousands of runners who have run faster marathons than Peters. They are therefore faster. If the question is who would win a race are you going to pick the 2 hr 18 minute runner or the 2 hr 12 minute or 2 hr 3 minute runner? The thread asked who would win, not who had better accomplishments in their time.

Ever hear of Jim Peters? He broke the marathon world record 4 times over a three span in the 1950's. He always found a way to win as well. The current WR is more than 17 minutes faster. Times change. Athletes evolve.

Today's wrestlers utilizing Cael's techniques have displaced Iowa style. Imo, PSU would win most of the weights regardless of the names of the wrestlers.

Lousy marketing effort. Booo.

Also Penn State centric and agree whole heartedly that Mason Parris deserves this Hodge Trophy. He won it on pretty much every criteria.

Did the sleuths around here ever determine Spencer's injuries?

Dan Hodge and Wade Schalles They actually pinned guys

They have a good class. They will have to adjust if Keuter opts for football.

I was out yesterday afternoon. Too many posts to read. Iowa landed the two older Ferrari Bros.?

If we are going to lower the PSU scoring total, then we have to take away Iowa's portal points too. How many did Real Woods score? How many in year's past from The Riddler and DeSanto? How many will the Ferrari's score in the future? Seems to me that the portal is now Iowa's go to for repairing recruiting problems. Since they can't seem to build champions they can just portal them over.

It is not even 25.5 points. No Max Dean means Michael Beard stays. No Kerkvliet means there is another Hwt, either Nevills or someone else.