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You including Starocci in this?

They need a bigger OOB area

Or lose? Looked like Hardy was carrying them off the mat

DC is annoying. I miss Shane and Trent

I say get rid of rideouts. I don’t like winning on 1 second of RT. I honestly don’t hate going to criteria like freestyle

Why did they allow Iowa to challenge the stall? How many bricks do they still have for Caliendo and Buchanan?

Well he did basically say not being humble was why he lost to Buchanan (because he tried to mess with him before the match or something). Another Flo interview. Apparently Heindselman was talking trash. Didn’t they get into a little kerfuffle back when AJ was at OSU and Heindselman was at Oklahoma?

Can still finish with a better college career than Spencer Lee

How many people had Chumbley? I know most of us got suckered into Teemer, I guess we should have known when the Iowa fan didn’t even take him

Similar to what I just said though, Steveson did lose his chance in 2020, so I’d argue he didn’t really get an “extra” year (although he did take time off which in the past would have counted against him

But what you’re not getting is if you are okay with the wrestlers in 2020 getting an extra year, then your only issue is with the freshmen in 2021. So the issue is not “over 4 years,” it’s only one year.

So do you think people that wrestled in 2020 should have been given an extra year?

Same

Yeah but earlier you said some wrestlers “only got 3 years of eligibility because of Covid.” So going by your own definition, wouldn’t you not include any of those that wrestled in 2020?

I did not think that was an escape for Little, but I guess it worked out for Cardenas

Yes. There will still be a few next year or maybe even longer if they took a regular redshirt + medical

Are you including guys who wrestled in both 2020 and 2021 and thus only got 4 NCAA tournaments in your angst here? That would seem to contradict with your disappointment that some guys only got 3. The only guys that got 5 NCAA tournaments are those that were freshmen in 2021 (and didn’t attend an Ivy League school) or redshirted in 2020. So if the question is “how many of the AA’s in the past 4 years had a chance to wrestle in 5 NCAA tournaments,” I’d bet the number is less than 5%.

Cornell just now challenging the TD from Kasak might be the worst

I’m still not crazy about step outs. They do need more OOB space at NCAA’s though. I wouldn’t say stand up after one minute, but they definitely should do no riding time point unless you score nearfall. That would be a huge improvement because guys would either actually try to turn or let them up and spare us from watching them lay on top and do nothing.

A lot of the “visibly injured” guys ARE the ones that wrestled shorter seasons though. I was actually thinking that this tournament seems to be evidence of the benefit of testing yourself throughout the season. Many of the guys that did not make the finals or did not look great were the guys that sat out for extended periods or for key matches (yes some had legit injuries): Ferrari, Alirez, Figueroa, Shapiro, Teemer some notable examples The only finalists that wrestled less than 22 matches prior to the tournament are O’Toole (20) and Steveson (18). And of the rest, only Byrd (23), Ayala (22), and Henson (22) had less than 25. 6 finalists had 28+ matches coming in including both finalists at 141 (both of them over 30) and 157 + Spratley and Keckeisen.

I forget which match it was now (Ayala maybe?), there was a questionable TD situation where someone went to their back, and it was scored TD but no back points. The Brands threw a brick and IIRC they were wanting nearfall, but I was thinking it would be funny if they just wiped the TD off. I believe they ended up keeping it as scored on the mat.

You’re crazy to suggest 4 for a reversal. Not saying reversals are easy, but I think they are easier than TD’s, I think 2 is appropriate

I’m shocked that many people picked Gavin Drexler

Was Taylor in the corner for Amine/Barraclaugh? He was not happy with the corner for not throwing the brick

Agree, that was stupid. Best case scenario he still needs a TD, should have taken neutral