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Smith beat future Head Coaches Tom Ryan and Sean Bormet in the finals and had people like Marcus Mollica (2x Champ & 4x AA), Ray Miller (4x AA & Champ), Joe Williams (3x Champ, 4x AA), Dan Russell (4x DII Champ, 2x DI AA) , Steve Hamilton (4x AA), Barry Weldon (NCAA Champ), Shaon Fry (NCAA Finalist) in his weight class. Plus future head coaches Scott Goodale (Rutgers) and Jim Andrassey (Kent State).

@Gibby HaynesI guess we have 80's Touch and Go references all tied up. From my memory AWA Kids that have been on the Mizzou Roster Raschka, Mocco, O'Toole, Pfleger, Spray and Whiting Other Wisconsin Wrestlers from the past Max and Ben, Pell, Hucke, Josh Wagner, Glen Kendl That is all I remember. So as far as the Penn State/AWA signings. I was very disappointed that Messenbrink signed with PSU (I was disappointed he signed with Cal Baptist as well). I thought he would be a no doubt Mizzou kid for a couple of reasons A) He was an Askren pupil. B) His dad was Askren's HS coach and Arrowhead kids that have gone to MIzzou have gone on to win National Titles (Askren's and O'Toole) while other Arrowhead kids that went else where have not (Ie Jake Sueflon(sp), Josh Otto). C) Messenbrink's father is a St. Louis boy that is a McCluer North graduate... maybe they still had relatives in the St. Louis area. But Alas, I was wrong. But the Mirasola brothers I was not surprised they didn't get them at all. Because They signed Aeodin Sinclair and one of the brothers was going to be at his weight. Now that being said I sure hope Mizzou gets Wyatt Duchateau. I think he is a future 157 lbs. I have had my eye on him since he won Cheesehead in 2022. The other AWA kid I hope Mizzou gets (besides Wolbert) is Ben Bast. He might be the answer at 125/133 lbs. I could see him and Mack Mauger battling it out. Yes I am the artist formerly known as Northco. Which I can't use anymore cause I live South Side now.

I agree conferences are antiquated for wrestling. I think four regionals and the top 8 from each regional qualifies for the NCAA Tournament. A True 8th place match would also happen if needed. This is what the regionals would look like (the ranking numbers are what they placed at NCAA's this year). Also, I am using all teams that are going to be NCAA DIV I in 2026 (as that would give us 80/81 teams.Making basically equal Regionals....So Morgan State, Queens, Bellermine, and Lindenwood are all included) OK I know someone is going to say How is Minnesota in the West when it is Wayyyyyy North. Well it came down to Minnesota was the furthest west of any of them that I considered. It came down to Iowa, Northern Iowa and Minnesota. Iowa was West of UNI and Minni was West of Iowa. You could also move Minnesota to the North and Iowa to the West or If you really wanted to do it. you could move Minnesota to the North and SIU-E to the West since it right next to the line of demarcation (Mississippi River) and is way more south, So it might be less travel for them. The tournaments should be held in Major cities (East = Philly or NYC, North = Chicago or Detriot), South = Charlotte or Nashville, West = KC or Denver) The NCAA loves their play in games so the 9th placers wrestle the Wednesday to be the 33rd qualifier. That person would take on an 8th placer of the highest Region Seed that is not their own. You would only seed the Regional Champions So let's take 165 this year the Regional Champs would have been (for sake of argument) East = Julian Rodriguez, Cornell South = Carson Kharchula, Ohio State North = Dena Hamiti, Wisconsin West = David Carr, Iowa State The Seeds would have been: #1 Carr, #2 Hamiti, #3 Ramirez, #4 Kharcula So West would be Vs. South all first Round and East Vs. North (so that 33rd would be say Austin Yant from the North Region and he would match up against the 8th placer from the South for the pleasure of wrestling David Carr) If the 9th placer is from the West he would take on the 8th placer the south as he is the meeting up with the highest seeded wrestler that would not meet his regional) Each Quarter Bracket would be 1 Vs. 8, 4 Vs. 5, 3 Vs. 6 and 8 vs, 2 So entire bracket would look like this (Using the 165 seeding. 1W Vs. 8S, 5E vs 4N, 3S vs. 6W, 7N vs. 2E 1S vs. 8W, 5N vs, 4E, 3W vs. 6S, 7E vs, 2N 1E vs, 8N, 5W vs. 4S, 3N vs, 6E, 7S vs. 2W 1N vs, 8E, 5S vs. 4W, 3E vs 6N, 7W vs. 2S So this is what the qualifier list would have looked like for this years 165 (the Placers are purely theoretical). So the 4 man wrestle-in would be Harkins, Mazzara, Yant and Cook, The list is pretty similar to what the actual national qualifiers were.

Kind of seems impeccable timing that year after Teyon Ware arrives Lou resigns. I thought Lou was doing a good job up until this year. This year they finished with 6 points and 5 of their 7 qualifiers were from the transfer portal (Prata, Henson, Shwartz, Moore, Nijenhuis). I don't know what that says about his recruiting, but if you were a high school senior wouldn't that give you a bit of pause. Also, as of next year only 15 of the 38 kids on the team are from OK and only 2 of 10 starters. I know they kind of always lose out on the best OK talent to OSU. They haven't had a AA from OK since 2011. It is not a sustainable model to rely on getting out of state kids, especially from states like PA, OH and CA. Those states have many college options they can attend. I think Teyon Ware would be a perfect choice to take over the program. His assistant coaching stint at Wyoming produced many AA's and qualifiers (and one of them is at OU because of him).

and Parco is a 3x AA

First off I'm a Mizzou fan. So biased. But how is that not two in first for Keegan and how is that ever two for Carr in the third. But that was a nice takedown in OT. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

You are correct Sorry I missed Griifth (Don't know why) Revised

Actually I discovered a missed one at 174 so Brodersen was dropped and Miller of Appalachian State was added. Here are the new conference numbers

This is who earned the Conference Allocations per weight class: (Again this is using wrestlestat RPI rankings which are a tad different). Also, If they are in Red means they did not meet qualification standards. If a wrestler was not previously ranked in Coaches rankings cause of match amount and have since met the minimum amount of matches. I gave them the ranked they are placed in national rankings. (ie Rocky Elam has now met minimum match threshold and I have him down at #4) - Ventresca would have RPI but hasn't wrestled. Flynn would have both RPI and WIN % So if they are entered possibly ACC gains a qualifier and the MAC loses one. * As of now Henry Porter of Indiana doesn't meet the requirements. But after beating Brayden Palmer he will move up in the coaches rankings to give them an AQ. * This weight had a few others that could be considered and actually met criteria (Petite of Buffalo needs to be included in the Coaches rankings.) Alex Hornfeck of West Virginia and Andrew Clark of Rutgers - Nelson Brands didn't meet the criteria He is 6-4 which doesn't qualify him for RPI and his win % is below 70%, So he would have to finish 7th or higher to qualify for nationals. Because, if he finishes lower than 7th his coaches ranking will probably drop (it is currently 20) - Coaches Ranked Bernie Truax 33rd last rankings... I think logic will take over and he will be ranked higher this rankings. So I made the adjustment

I did similar projections but I used wretlestat.com RPI rankings. So this maybe a little off. I know they only take a max of 29. Also, It had to meet two of the three criteria for it Ranked 30 or Below in RPI and Coaches Rankings and at least a 70% win percentage in that weight class against DIV I opponents. I used the latest coaches rankings so going by that it would be the following

I personally think Hawks would start. He just beat Short of Wyoming who was HM ranked for a time. But he majored Deanthony Parker of NDSU... Who Harmon lost to. His loss to Joel Devine is irrelevant since he was going to be behind Marcus Coleman anyway. Hawks has enough matches vs. DI and may qualify the spot. in the next few weeks he has #17 Cade King (SDSU), HM Keegan Moore (OU), #12 Travis Wittlake (He lost 2-0 @ Scuffle) and #4 Coleman. If he wins one of those he will probably be an automatic bid earner and be seeded top 4 to 5. If he wins two he is probably 3rd seed at Big XII. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

2023/2024 Mizzou with Messenbrink 125 -Surtin 133- Seltzer 141- Edmond 149- Mauller 157- Messenbrink 165- O'Toole 174- Mocco 184- Whiting/Hawks 197- Rocky Elam 285- Zach Elam Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk