Elevator

He is an upgrade!

I guess like Jax in recent days, tightening things up!

Would benefit from media training - like just about every other PSU wrestler. If memory serves, he thought Zack Ryder would win the spot at 184. Even with direct wrestle experience he may not be insightful - more like inciteful?

exactly - also not great for fans to separate B1G guys on one side - already seen much of those battles

Misread the bracket - he is fine. Sinclair has the short straw with the potential gauntlet of Campos, Ferrari, McEnelly, then Welsh after the first round to win the title.

Seeding committee got it right at 141 with conference balance. Best for fans and fairness. B1G #1 Mendez on top - where if seeds hold he face the winner of Stanich (EIWA Champ at #5) and Ech (B12 Champ at #4). Olivieri is 19-2 and #9 so its not a cake walk to make the semis. On bottom, B1G #2 Hardy gets a rematch with undefeated from B12 champ Vega. Something similar at 133 would have been much better and interesting.

Defending champ Byrd and 2x NCAA finalist Ayalla in each of their path - to say nothing of having to beat the only wrestler who they each lost to (each other) this year to make the finals. It may be that the sides are balanced, but other than the (I suspect anomolous) Jax over Ayalla result we don't really know for sure whether the B1G beasts on the bottom are actually tougher than the top side beasts you mention. Two pretty tough Ivy guys could knock somebody off as well. We will know soon. For my selfish interests as a fan, best to divide the B1G 1 and 2 in weights as here where they have at least 3 and perhaps four of the top guys all year. No disrespect to Seidel, Larkin, and Jax - maybe they will prove deserving of the title and top five NCAA medals. I still lean that the B1G 133 team overall is even stronger. This bracket does not have enough B1G guys in the top half and visa versa.

An epic failure. I have no dog in this one, but as a neutral fan it is a real loss and unfair to Davino, Blaze, and Seidel. 13 match undefeated records should not be rewarded particularly in the face of a B1G split of #1 ranked guys with razor tight overtime outcomes. Wonder why coaches have their guys duck big matches - this idiocy. Incentivize guys who take on top matches. McEnnely is the only other infuriating seeding f up that appeared to me from a once through the brackets. I do not particulalry have any favorites in that weight either and just want to see the best matchups for the selfish reason of watching great wrestling.

Shapiro looks great and nothing will surprise. I think Swisher is close though and could win some big matches in Cleveland! Wish them both well - a heck of a weight.

Should be a really fun weight to watch in any event. Would it be really surprising if Shapiro fund a way to beat Duke? Cornell has at least three guys who could make a run to the finals.

He has a chance and I hope he can stay healthy. He has a lot of tricks and talent.

There is precedent for co-winners and this year seems like a good choice if MM, Barr and that kid from Ohio State whip butts at NCAA's like they have been. If only one, MM has the edge as more dominant than the Ohio State guy and far tougher weight than 197.

Yup - love me some JC!

Here is my shot: 1 Duke 2 Taylor 3 Larkin 4 Robideau 5 Cardenas 6 Swisher or Shapiro 7 Shapiro or Swisher 8 Webster 9 Cannon 10 Watters 11 Miller 12 Catrabone

Here are flo's now outdated rankings 1 - 15. It looks like 1 - 3 are out of the top five for seeding now? Assuming Duke get's #1, how to seed 2 - 12? 1 JR Antrell Taylor Nebraska 1 2 JR Meyer Shapiro Cornell 2 3 SO Brandon Cannon Ohio State 3 4 FR PJ Duke Penn State 4 5 FR Kaleb Larkin Arizona State 5 6 FR Landon Robideau OK State 6 7 SR Vincent Zerban Iowa State 7 8 SO Ty Watters West Virginia 8 9 JR Daniel Cardenas Stanford 9 10 SO Kannon Webster Illinois 10 11 SR Ethen Miller Virginia Tech 11 12 SO Dylan Evans Pittsburgh 12 13 JR Jude Swisher Penn 13 14 SO Logan Rozynski Lehigh 14 15 FR Cam Catrabone Michigan 15 Can someone smart give it a try?

Prolly nobody this year. Swisher just beat Shapiro so he probably deserves mention as much as your 2 - 6 nominees. So how will 157 get seeded?

I agree - JB is consistently excellent. Cormier is insufferable and should exit immediately and for all time as an announcer.

Check that on Penn - I think the Quakers may have qualified six, 125 through 165. I think this included 125 Davis Motyka who was probably on the bubble and I think garnered one of the two Ivy spots at 125.

first round pin of Messenbrink, Mendez, Haines, or any other top seed would be shocking and unlikely

some interesting thoughts - hard to know till it is tried maybe we keep what we have except: A tech fall with back points is 6 team; Ditch the tiebreaker in dual meets - unless someone gets the winning pts in the two minute overtime its a tie (2 points each team). The rideout tiebreaker often a few seconds of riding time delta is no bueno. An alternative to try hear is a push out point int he two minute OT.

JC's analysis is sound and an interesting point. It is not crazy that the Cowboys could make it a race - but prolly not. Perhaps of equal importance, a lot of their young guns are really fun to watch and should be contenders for many years.

Looks like his freestyle success is going to translate to collegiate folkstyle pretty well. 133 quarters, semis, and I hope the finals are going to be wild. Cowboys could have quite a lot of guys in the semis and finals at NCAA's overall.

Two ways to beat PSU, play them in football instead or a small miracle. With Cannon, less of a miracle and more quite a memorable upset. If Oh state has a chance to beat PSU in wrestling, I would guess B1G tourney is the best (but low) chance.

I would buy - past my lifetime limit anyway.

I thought I had this down in junior high, but the finish % waned after that. Prolly a lot of reasons if they could be diagnosed in a proper study. Barr, super-human strength combined with the disposition of a honey badger?