Tripnsweep

I think there is plenty of confusion about who did it and why.

They detained two people already for this and released them both. I think there's been plenty of confusion over this. Especially given that there seems to be remarkably little evidence to go on.

Looking at this, not from trying to figure out why, because I'll get to that, but who and how. If you look at the layout of where it happened, as best as anyone can determine now, there was a clear line of sight from where they think the shooter was. 200 yards straight down from a several story building, into a courtyard that was probably recessed another 20 feet. This wasn't some amateur like the guy who took a shot at Trump. I think that the fact there was one shot says that. Whoever it was, definitely a pro. You'd need to be highly trained to make that shot. I don't think this was a civilian at all. It just doesn't fit the profile. Why can't they find them or what happened? It seems like whoever did it had it well rehearsed, because they left no evidence behind, no gun or shell casings anyone is aware of. I'll go out on a limb and say it's possible they even had a plan to direct attention towards the other two suspects who got detained. Whoever it was who did it, I don't think they were in it for attention or anything strictly political. Nobody would want to claim responsibility, but I don't think that doing this is about politics strictly. It just seems very strange. They worked alone, evaded being caught, and with that known, I don't think they would leave much of a trail to follow. Even the pictures and video of somebody on the roof, you can't really see anything. So if that was even the person, they can't even get a description. No height, weight, etc. Just looking at it, this feels professional. If it was political only or out of rage, I think somebody would have been clouded by anger, had lapses in judgement, made mistakes, etc. Somebody wanted this guy dead for some reason. It just seems too cold, too calculated to have been revenge or something like that. Looking at recent political assassinations, like Minnesota, they caught the guy pretty quickly. The guy was looney tunes, left evidence, made mistakes, etc. This was in front of a few thousand people in broad daylight, and they didn't catch the shooter? If the FBI and Utah police are on top of things, they should be looking at airports, bus terminals, any footage of people leaving by car, tracking down license plates, etc. Whoever did it, they would want to put serious distance between the scene and themselves as quickly as possible. So I guess we'll see.

Isn't that what the far right said about Paul Pelosi being attacked in his home? Don't like it much when it's turned around do you?

I just was reading something about this, because it's going to dominate news for the next few days, and the author made a point. We don't know why this happened. What if he was killed for some extremely trivial reason? Like he cut somebody off in traffic or something else that pissed off some random psycho who got fed up enough? When Frank Cali got shot and killed outside of his house a few years ago, everyone was sure it was the beginning of a Mafia war and that was why he got killed. Except it turned out to be some crazy QAnon believer who thought Cali was part of the deep state and had to die. It made absolutely no sense. So before we jump to conclusions about who killed who, just consider that this could have been somebody who didn't care about politics and thought Kirk was a lizard person who had to go.

How dare I be indifferent over somebody being killed.

I think Charlie was shot by his secret gay lover to keep their affair quiet.

Do you think the guy who shot him should go to jail? Charlie didn't think the guy who violently assaulted Paul Pelosi should and encouraged his followers to post his bail.

That's insane. But as far as quality, I don't think that Desmond Pfeiffer or Homeboys in Outer Space ever had the potential to be good. You could have spent 28 million an episode and still turned out awful. At least Acolyte had some good visuals.

Yet people care more about right wing community college dropout being shot.

This guy definitely has military training. To take somebody out at 200 yards with a shot to such a small target, no civi did this. Possibly a former Marine? That's my guess.

I think that's a stretch. They already detained 2 or 3 people and released them.

Well he is one of those deaths now.

I don't think anyone deserves it. But when you start up with that kind of behavior, and say things like how it's ok for people to die as long as we have our right to carry guns, it's more like you're inviting problems.

Where did I wish death on anyone?

You don't act like a jackass in public and say things for shock value or attention? Seems like a pretty good way to avoid that. There used to be a "street preacher" around here who used to yell that women deserve rape and got the police called on him for standing outside a local mosque while armed, yelling at people and ripping up the Koran. He stood outside of a high school and yelled stuff at the students there. Somebody didn't like it and hit him over the head with a baseball bat. If you do things like that for long enough, you might face some pushback, and it might not be very polite. So it's not necessarily a good or evil thing, it's about doing things that you know could provoke an irrational response.

“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage.” -Charlie Kirk

Actually he ridiculed and shouted over people he disagreed with frequently. He was just a slightly more elegant troll. If it meant scoring points with his base supporters, he knew little boundaries in insulting people he opposed. So he wasn't some polite guy who would listen to everyone. He was a troll who existed to do it in real life and he loved to do it.

Meanwhile...... https://www.abc15.com/us-news/crime/at-least-2-student-shot-at-high-school-in-colorado-authorities-say?fbclid=IwdGRjcAMuwrRjbGNrAy7CrmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEeGXekcouJ-g25ceprzHgtwcj_3W5YLqZhoDW3e-y9XhTNF6Zy755COlctO8I_aem_CwSMJyvjCxtto9H7oZaFlA

There's no justification. Just pointing out the irony of somebody who was willing to trivialize violence to further his "political" career.

Truth be told I'd prefer somebody without deep seeded religious beliefs.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/turning-point-usa-founder-charlie-211415069.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGsFikWVWcdzBFyZXFOkAFlsdouaTRs8nGB8I0oVE3SWuO9Mb8qVjduPrmfn2onQZU7F_UGbL9IHnTbrufOJ0Kdo__U1w1ZXfD9RToJLklXIxHCSI6duqELBh_Mk9esuiWx-87SJArZJHUf0H1vOr9aDgXX4W-LY3Uwsr_jfdXbR

Kind of ironic, somebody who trivializes and downplays gun violence, ends up getting shot like that. Sorry Charlie, it's just necessary to keep the 2nd amendment.

“It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment” - Charlie Kirk