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You want me to hold Lee to account? Then you must hold Biden to account when he said in 1995 that SS and Medicare have to be pared down and claim that is still his postion. https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/ Dude - Fair is fair. Yes, sadly. This is the truth. There is no SS bank account or lock box. The money that SS recipients get comes from the general budget of the USA. So all of the money that was supposed to be separated into a SS "lockbox" has been squandered. They might as well not have a FICA (or whatever it is today) tax. It all goes into the general budget and gets spent. What isn't given to SS recipients gets spent on studying if transgender top or bottom surgery on kids is detrimental to them or not. Or some other silliness. It is a corrupt system. I don't know of a study done that would show what SS would be if they hadn't raided the "lockbox". I'm sure it would be in quite a bit better shape than it is right now. The lock box is full of IOUs. With deficit spending now the rule rather than the exception, that gives me great hope for the longevity of the program. The fact that child bearing has greatly decreased also gives me great hope for the longevity of the program. You must be able to see that doing nothing is really not an option. Something will have to be done at some point to keep SS going. And that will be curtailing payments and/or raising the age when you can start to collect. One or the other will have to come into play. If you disagree, please provide a logical analysis of why you disagree. mspart

If only the Martin Guitar Company knew that the extra hole would make it sound more like Willie, they would have manufactured them with holes there like they do with jeans now. mspart

https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/sen-mike-lee-claims-2010-comments-about-social-security-medicare-medicaid-taken-out-of-context/ by: Derick Fox Posted: Feb 9, 2023 SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (ABC4) – Utah Sen. Mike Lee has responded to criticism he recently received on social media after users resurfaced comments he made in 2010 about wanting to “pull up” and “get rid of” Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. So you are using a 12 year old video and say it applies to Lee today? Here's more from that link. In a statement posted by Lee on Twitter, the senator said the point he was trying to make was that the federal government should not be trusted with “sweeping power over people’s livelihoods,” claiming Congress has long used Social Security as a “slush fund.” Lee also said his point was that Congress had a responsibility to honor the commitments made to Americans who paid into Social Security. . “In repeatedly quoting my 2010 remarks today, President Biden conveniently left out that critical detail – that even when I voiced that position, I insisted that we honor the reliance interests of those who have paid into the system,” said Lee. “He also ignored in my 12 years in the Senate, I have never proposed abolishing Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid benefits. Instead, I have offered solutions to improve those programs and move them toward solvency.” In his reaction immediately following the State of the Union address, Lee said Biden mischaracterized Republicans. During a conversation with Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, Lee said Biden looked Republicans in the eye and mischaracterized what they believe and what they want. Lee said Biden falsely indicated Republicans in Congress are taking an approach to cut the benefits he said. According to Lee, no Republican in either the House or Congress has suggested changing Social Security as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. The Utah senator accused President Biden of using the 2010 quotes as a diversion from the national debt, which he says jeopardizes the government’s ability to fund programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Nice try. Please play again. So here is a nice thought experiment for you. Where is the lock box that contains all of the SS money? mspart

From Biden's speech: Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some Republicans want Medicare and Social Security to sunset every five years. That means if Congress doesn’t vote to keep them, those programs will go away. Other Republicans say if we don’t cut Social Security and Medicare, they’ll let America default on its debt for the first time in our history. Those who think this was a trap, please provide the Rs that have proposed any of this, other than Rick Scott, and he was roundly criticized by the R caucus. You won't because Biden lied. mspart

Oh I can see that now. I'm betting that it is worth a whole lot more now than when it was purchased. No depreciation there. mspart

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/ Biden was using a Patty Murray talking point. False then false now. mspart

Show documentation that the current Rs in Congress are saying this. mspart

He wore it out. That's my guess. Is there something more to it? mspart

Oh, so you are saying that this is documented by C-SPAN and CBS which are very much credible news sources. And Biden is not dubbed here, he is actually saying SS needs to be reigned in a bit. HMMMMMMM mspart

He's got a real big hole in his geetar. mspart

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Where did you get that? NYPost? FOX? Breitbart? OAN? Oh, I see, it was C-SPAN. Right up there with the loonies C-SPAN is. Can't trust them. mspart

Are you saying that stuff is still in the Vatican? mspart

I'd say change it. mspart

Wrong media sources. Highly partisan. mspart

I doubt it will happen. But there are many there that want it to happen. The question is does Idaho want this? Eastern Oregon is highly unpopulated. Mostly a real wasteland. mspart

Given my post above, if they decide gravitational theory is just a theory, if number theory is just a theory, this will get derailed very quickly. Even for parts of evolution and relativity, it would get derailed very quickly. I don't think it would be a problem for anatomy or biology as far as what we know concretely and what is taught now in public schools. Evolutionary theory is fine as far as changes within a specie, but there is not much evidence and a lot of speculation of a specie evolving into a completely different specie. The term I'm using might be incorrect and perhaps genus might be better. The issue of the missing link is still very much a thing. So if they wanted to teach that a strep bacteria can mutate such that it is resistant to antibiotics, that is demonstrable. But showing that a single cell animal evolves into a human with different processes and organs has no corollary. It is speculation at this point. This is sure to elicit various arguments on either side here but I think it is indisputable that the evidence for the macro evolution of this kind is lacking evidence. As of now, it is speculation. mspart

Here is the bill: I would say this is not aimed at theory of gravity. Squarely on theory of evolution and perhaps Relativity. But now the arguments here can be based on the language of the bill rather than speculation. mspart

Not critical race thinking, but critical thinking. There is a difference. One is not like the other. The latter is in great need. mspart

Pretty much. If you can figure out how to make a product expire just after the warranty wears out, you win. mspart

Yes, this is a real thing. It won't happen. Many years ago, rural areas of King County WA (where Seattle is) wanted to secede and create Cedar County. It ultimately is up to the Legislature and they were unwilling to listen. I would guess this would have to be ratified by Congress somehow. You think that will happen? mspart

You might be right. But the impact will disrupt and destroy the stuff in the boxes. Unless the Chinese built it to withstand a nuclear blast. My guess is they didn't. mspart

You do realize that falling from 60k feet into water or the ground ends up roughly the same right? Falling that fast, water is as hard as the ground and will destroy everything in the same way. This is why bridge jumpers committing suicide are successful. Their whole internal organs fail when impact is made. mspart

Saying that, I can see how sycophants would think this was brilliant. But getting the Rs to say on record during the SOTU speech while misrepresenting what they have already said on record is not some brilliant move. R's don't want to change SS and Medicare. They have been down that road and it wasn't pleasant. mspart

What trap? No one in this Congress other than Rick Scott, has supported changing SS or Medicare. So when Biden said there were some in Congress (there is one perhaps in Congress - Rick Scott) they let him know he was wrong. He lied to the American people directly with this. And this is applause worthy? The Rs were already on record saying they don't want changes to SS or Medicare. So how is there a trap? mspart