uncle bernard

people standing in a lobby. the horror.

strange that conservatives never complain about "big government" when it comes to the local police department getting armored vehicles and high grade military weapons. or the military getting hundreds of billions more than it needs every year. or state legislatures determining what books schools can have in their library or states mandating a loyalty oath to a foreign country to be a government country and the list goes on and on

Okay, then answer it again. Yes or no is all I need.

This is why people turn to Hamas

nobody is answering the question! does israel have the right to kill palestinians civilians if they support hamas? yes or no. please answer!

“why don’t they just overthrow hamas?”

and you’re still dodging the question. should we kill people because of their political beliefs even if they don’t take violent action? jimmy says yes. what do you say?

were those peasants crowded into a ting strip of land that’s been completely leveled by bombs that weren’t even dropped by the regime who rules them? it’s hilarious for coddled americans to pontificate from the couch on this. i mean, what do you think would happen if palestinians were able to get weapons to fight hamas? you think israel wouldn’t kill them too? in israel’s mind, being in the presence of weapons is a death sentence. ps if you actually studied history, you’d know it wasn’t “peasants” that carried out those revolutions.

"See how that goes for you." Yeah, it's almost like they're an armed terror group who kills dissenters! Zero self awareness to post that and then pretend not to understand why Palestinians haven't overthrown them.

"According to me when you support a terrorist organization like most Palestinians do you have to take what you get. Pretty simple." "Palestinians support Hamas. They are accountable." Took 30 seconds to pull these two up from this thread. He very clearly thinks it's okay to kill civilians if they support Hamas. He's welcome to come on here and say otherwise.

they got 43% of the vote 20 years ago and that's it.

Yes, I imagine Joe is capable of sitting in a chair for a month, especially if he gets to fall asleep a few times like Trump.

What do you mean "like Trump?" He didn't testify and fell asleep multiple times. I think Joe could do that too lol.

how? they have no weapons, no food, and their homes are gone. how are they supposed to get rid of a highly trained, experienced military group with tunnels throughout the whole territory? the IDF hasn't been able to do it in 6 months with the world's greatest weaponry and you think Gazans could do it, but are choosing not to? Reminder: Hamas has never won a majority of votes in an election.

of course. i've said it over and over again.

"If I was a civilian, I'd stay away from Hamas at all costs. Let them die. I don't want to die. " Great and where would you go? Idk if you noticed, but the vast majority of Palestinians moved to the "safe zones" Israel designated only for those zones to get bombed anyway. If you were a Gazan civilians, you wouldn't have a choice to "stay away" from Hamas. They're there whether you like it or not. I think the fact you even typed that out reveals an unbelievable ignorance and naivety about what's going on in Gaza. This isn't your neat and tidy fantasy scenario in your head.

Your definition of human shield is so broad that the IDF does actually use them. All of their military bases are surrounded/embedded within the settlements on the border. A huge percentage of the victims of 10/7 were killed in the crossfire between the IDF and Hamas in these settlements. If Israel was truly concerned about protecting its citizens, it wouldn't be promoting the settlements on the Gaza border or illegal settlements in the West Bank. But to answer what I "want," I've been clear on this the whole time. I want Israel to take place in a *serious* political process to restore human rights to the occupied territories. That is the only path to long-term peace. If you do not provide a legitimate path to peace through politics, the Palestinians will always turn to armed resistance because it's their only option. In terms of this conflict, Israel should accept the ceasefire deal to return the hostages, pull out of Gaza, and let the international community come to the aid of the millions of Palestinians who are now refugees and on the verge of famine.

So you disagree with @JimmyBT that Gazan civilians are fair game because they support Hamas (we don't even know that's true for the record)? I'm glad that you see the light and agree with my original post (or so it seems). I've been incredible consistent that the murder of civilians is always wrong, the killing of armed combatants, especially terrorists is allowed.

My answer is a simple no. What's yours?

Which one of us thinks it's okay to kill people because of their political beliefs? Me or you? Very simple question.

if a terrorist draped himself in an american flag and told you he was fighting for "freedom" you'd worship him because you have a fundamentalist, terroristic ideology. that's where we're different.

and that’s exactly what bin laden said about american civilians. it’s a dangerous, immoral way of viewing the world. it’s not 1984. thought crime isn’t a capital offense.

what was the post in response to moron? YOU making that exact case. It’s what YOU believe.

didn’t do that no matter how many times you say it.