uncle bernard

Because the Israelis are the ones who showed up at their door and told them they had to leave.

Of course not. You seem to have forgotten 1947 though. Only you guys could view having massive amounts of your land taken from you without compensation as "starting the conflict."

take your own advice. history didn't begin on 10/7.

Many of them don't, you're right. The main difference is that we act like one country is evil and the other is righteous, and then we fund the "righteous" one so they can actually carry out their genocidal desires. As long as there is asymmetrical power created by the West, this conflict will continue. The West has the power to do the right thing - enforce a peace process and begin a reconciliation process in both countries to re-educate them to view the others as human beings with shared interest and fates.

“For I did not consider myself justified in exterminating the men—in other words, killing them or having them killed—and then allowing their children to grow up to wreak vengeance on our children and grandchildren. The difficult decision had to be taken to make these people disappear from the face of the earth.” -Heinrich Himmler, 1943

We don't have to believe either of them. It's on video. We can watch for ourselves.

The public can watch a video and see whether the car was actually driving towards the officer as they claimed. Hilarious that you guys pontificate about freedom and when it comes down to it, your entire worldview is "I trust whatever the authorities tell me as a matter of faith as long as I support them politically."

Well, what do you know? The bodycam footage must be released immediately so the public can judge the truth for themselves. Body-camera video of a Border Patrol agent involved in the shooting of a woman who was allegedly chasing agents in Brighton Park over the weekend shows an officer saying, “Do something, b----,” before pulling over and shooting the woman five times, the woman’s attorney said in federal court Monday. The video appears to contradict the government’s allegation that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire on her late Saturday morning on Kedzie Avenue near 39th Street, her attorney, Christopher Parente, said at a detention hearing at the Dirksen Federal Courthouse. https://www.wbez.org/public-safety/2025/10/07/marimar-martinez-anthony-ian-santos-ruiz-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park

So what? There are a few states that do that, but most have manslaughter, including Illinois where this happened, so what do you think you're proving?

It can also not be ruled a just shooting. So now what?

Who cares? It does not matter.

The driver started to drive away, THEN the officer reached in to grab the car as an attempt to stop him, and that's what creates the tragedy. For one second, take a step back and think: what happens if the officer simply lets go? Driver drives away? Who cares? They have his plates. They'd already collected enough information from him (or already knew) to know that he had just dropped his kids off at daycare and school. He was not accused of anything violent. Only thing on his record is a speeding ticket from 15 years ago. So what happens if he lets go? They probably arrest him later that day peacefully without putting the community in danger by firing shots in public while apparently being dragged by a car. And this guy is still alive. And the public doesn't lose more trust in LEO.

There's no winning an argument with you because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of anything that contradicts your established opinions. There's nothing left to do but insult you.

it's nap time geezer. go eat your pudding and tuck yourself in.

They, are quite literally, not the same in any state. That's why they're called different things.

Lol, wasn't even responding to you grandpa. Maybe the reason why you're not concerned about this is because your kids took the keys away from you years ago and now you're stuck at home all day melting your brain on the internet.

So you admit you were wrong? Because manslaughter and murder are not the same thing.

Oh no, not lacerations caused by his own actions! Yep you're right. Good thing he blew the young father's brains out instead of just letting go. That made everybody safer.

Then why did they feel the need to lie?

Then why did they feel the need to lie on the report? Also, it can be "construed" as attempted murder is different from it is attempted murder. It's only attempted murder if the intent is to injure the officer. If it's to escape, as was the case here, it's not attempted murder. It's still a felony.

You don't have to believe me. Look for yourself. You can read their report. They say the officer was seriously injured. Then you can watch the video of the officer saying he wasn't injured. The only reason you wouldn't look for yourself is because you're scared your precious worldview will be challenged.

THIS. DID. NOT. HAPPEN. That's the whole point, brother. DHS lied in their report to make the shooting look more justified. The officer was not in danger, nor was he seriously injured - as HE states on camera multiple times! What is wrong with YOU? How can you read a falsified report - directly contradicted on camera by the officer involved - and not have ANY questions about whether this was a justified shooting?

Okay, so punish the cops who were doing this. Simple.

I know exactly what he's going to try to do next. Exactly what he was already trying to do. Drive away. It's on video. You're also conflating separate incidents. This car was not used as a deadly weapon. It was a simple traffic stop. He tries to drive away from the officers after he's been stopped for a while. One officer foolishly tries to reach into the car and hang on as he tries to leave, then panics and shoots him. It's exactly what the idiot cop did to Scottie Scheffler minus the shooting. This guy had no violent past. He had just dropped his two kids off at school and daycare. He just wanted to keep living his life and an idiot ICE agent decided to try to play Rambo, put himself and every bystander in danger, and then murdered a father. In the other case, if ICE can produce evidence that the woman was ramming their car and putting lives at risk, then that's a justified defensive shooting. So far, they've yet to produce such evidence and have been caught lying in their statement, so I'm skeptical until I see for myself.

He didn't. It's on video. He was trying to drive away from them.