PortaJohn

29 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Do you actually believe that he is being 100% truthful about everything?  Let's start with the prescription and take it all the way to the softball interview.  Has he left anything out or made anything up?

I'm assuming wkn would answer like myself and say, "we do not have all the info and facts so we do not know".  That's called a measured balanced approach to this situation.  But you, you know. He's a liar

14 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

I think this covers the case where a substance was taken inadvertently (say, a contaminated supplement).  Disclosing that you are taking a banned substance doesn't make up for the fact that the athlete is responsible for understanding what is on the prohibited list and *not* using that substance or proactively seeking a TUE.

When you read "establishing intent' they use specific literature that allows as much wiggle room as possible.  "Significant Flexibility", "athlete's declaration is considered powerful evidence".  

The problem with this AB scenario is the little info we have.  He stated he declared it, did not provide a prescription, had lawyers file it and was cleared the Thursday prior to competition and allowed to wrestle.  Everything else at this point is speculative.  

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

“Less severe sanctions.”  He hasn’t received any sanction yet has he?

No.  I'm assuming he's fine and when he disclosed the vyvanse on the DCF form the DCO officer asked him for the prescription and he didn't have it.  Hence, his statement in the interview.  But im just speculating & @Interviewed_at_Weehawken is certain he's lying

11 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

You don't bring your prescription to a drug test.  That just isn't how it works.  Stop talking about his prescription as if it matters in this case:  it doesn't.  If you fail a drug test for a banned substance for which you don't have an existing TUE, you are deemed to have an AAF.  Maybe that's due to not "filing" the correct paperwork, but that doesn't justify your usage.  There are processes in place to deal with this.  Whether he has a  basis for an appeal is not known to us at this point.

 

Reading more into USADA he seems safe.  Brining the prescription doesn't matter but having one and him disclosing it shows transparency.  

Establishing Intent

Inadvertent rule violations are relatively rare, but they are possible, and when they do occur they are typically the result of medications or supplements that have been insufficiently researched before using them and which contain a prohibited substance. Significant flexibility has been built into the system to try to ensure that inadvertent rule violations are addressed with less severe sanctions. An athlete can usually qualify for a reduced sanction if they are able to determine the source of his or her positive test and establish a lack of intent to cheat. This is where a properly completed disclosure of medications and supplements used by the athlete can become so important.

The starting point for obtaining that flexibility in the event of a positive drug test is often whether the athlete has made a full and complete declaration of substances used on their doping control form.  Frequently, where the athlete has declared a supplement or medication which later turns out to be the source of the positive test, the athlete’s declaration is considered powerful evidence of the athlete’s intent to comply with the rules and leads to a finding that the athlete has not intended to cheat.

On the other hand, when an athlete fails to disclose a substance on their doping control form and tests positive, the failure to disclose can cast doubt on the athlete’s efforts to demonstrate that they were seeking to comply with the rules and this many result in a longer period of ineligibility.

Therefore, it is always in an athletes’ best interest to declare all of his or her supplements and medications – both prescription and non-prescription – during every sample collection process.

Here are just a few more of the reasons why athletes should declare every product, every time

1 hour ago, BigRedFan said:

His version of events demonstrates that he doesn't know how this all works, or he's not telling the truth.  You don't provide a prescription at a drug test:  you either already have a TUE (based in part on a previously provided prescription (say that three times fast!)) on file, or you don't.  I don't even know if one tells the personnel administering the drug test anything about what substances you are taking:  again, either you have a TUE for something on the banned list or you aren't taking anything on the banned list.

This is straight from the USADA website: The DCO and athlete will complete sample collection forms together, either hard-copy or digitally, to document the circumstances of the sample collection process. Additionally, In accordance with the instructions on the doping control form (DCF), the athlete should declare any substance or medication they may have taken on a Declaration of Use Form. They should also provide details of any Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUEs) they may have on file.

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The part where his lips move and he doesn't tell the truth?

At this point that's purely speculation on the grounds of your pure PSU hatred 

27 minutes ago, ionel said:

"Filling error?"  Sounds a lot worse than the Fix situation.  Should Daton have really taken the blame just because Derek's yellow post-it note that said "WT members: don't drink from the water bottles" fell off the garage fridge?  Everyone knows about the wind in Oklahoma.  C'mon Man! 

Hey Now!  Don't contort my words like an Oklahoma twister. 

4 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

His version of events demonstrates that he doesn't know how this all works, or he's not telling the truth

After listening to many of his post match and now formal interviews/sermons I hypothesize critical reasoning isn't part of his brain structure so I'm predicting it's answer a)  he doesn't know how this all works

On 5/8/2024 at 4:50 PM, Dogbone said:

NFL teams likely just want to kick the tires for a tryout or something.  Give him a small deal to come to a mini camp and then cut him.  At 265 he probably a D End?  Has he ever played football?

MMA seems very logical but if I were him I would maximize the NIL value and wrestle one more year.  He won't get another shot again and can still do MMA after the season.

Sean Mcdermott (PA Native) is a big time college wrestling fan.  Maybe he sneaks him on to the practice squad for a year.  Get some money in his pocket.  I do think there is a niche in the NFL for former wrestlers to develop techniques that can translate to becoming a tackling coach.  It's god awful at times watching NFL d's trying to tackle.  Terrible form and technique

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

When did he file, with whom? You seem to know more about this than anyone.

What part of "If we are to believe his version" did you not understand?

starts @40:00

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Uh, Brooks admitted to taking it and that he didn’t have the proper paperwork initially.

That does not constitute cheating.  That's a filing error.  If we are to believe his version of events he went to take the drug test, wrote down that he was taking vyavsay, and was flagged because he didn't bring his prescription.  He then filed it properly and was cleared to wrestle.  

37 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

At this point I’m not convinced that Brooks is any less of a cheater than Fix was proven to be.

How is Brooks a cheater?  Other than a Mineo tweet what other evidence are you working with?

On 5/13/2024 at 3:09 PM, 1032004 said:

I wonder if all the PSU fans jumping to his defense had the same thing to say about Daton Fix?

Don't recall PSU fans saying anything more or less on Daton Fix than any other fanbase.  Only thing I remember were jokes about Mr. Fix.  Last time I checked Aaron Brooks is wrestling for team USA

8 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes, I would challenge anyone who thinks that is a folkstyle move to find a video of someone hitting it in a folkstyle match that pre-dates Dave Schultz.  Good luck!

There are tons of great techniques that have come from overseas.  For example the Iranian lift and finish should be taught in every high school wrestling room.  Simple and effective 

17 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Whatever happened to all the shrinking violets on the college board who wanted this made illegal?

They blossomed

1 minute ago, billyhoyle said:

A double burger at In-N-Out is about 5 bucks…Is that unreasonable? 

Oh man,  when I'm out west I love the triple decker with thousand island dressing, little mayo, and relish.  Still remember my first In-N-Out visiting a friend summer of '98

8 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

i think he's the best guy on earth

He certainly is.  Dake can beat him.  My prediction list was just to medal.  Did a poor job not stating that in my post

1 hour ago, 4xJVchamp said:

No shot zains chances are as good as Spencer’s. He’s a legit threat win gold whereas Zain would have to have the best tournament of his life to win. I would put Zain at like 15% and Lee around 35 to 40%

What in the world are you smoking cuz I want some!  Here I thought putting Zain and Spencer at 25% to medal might've been a little aggressive 

-Snyder and Dake are near locks (2)

- Zain is wrestling in the toughest or one of the toughest weight classes.  Will depend on his draw, his weight management, etc (25%)

- Brooks may be the best at his weight but being his first major Senior international tournament someone like  Kurugliev can bounce him from the tournament (25%)

-Spence like Brooks may be the best but like Zain he's in a loaded weight class (25%)

-Parris for gold in Paris seems like destiny.  (25%)

O/U to medal at 6 weights 3.5

*** I believe this might be a team that might even be better than our 2020 Oly team and it's by no means crazy to think we medal at every weight and bring back a lot of Gold 

24 minutes ago, D3 for LU said:

Well, PortaJohn, after that 4 match gauntlet that Zain marched thru... he surely must felt that he landed on Iwo Jima AND climbed Mt Suribachi as well!

D3

Zain's run was more impressive than Rocky Balboa summiting the Grand Tetons Wyoming in Siberia Russia in feets of snow with no mountaineering gear 

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

to the extent hamas is now, yes. it was a paramilitary group embedded in the civilian population. the difference between israel and britain is that britain didn’t bomb civilian housing because that’s where the IRA lived. the brits killed under 200 civilians across 30 years. if they had used the human shields argument they could have killed far more IRA members but thousands of civilians in the process. that’s the point. this isn’t the only way. 

and yes giving them things so they become nice isn’t as emotionally satisfying as revenge, but it has the benefit of actually working. giving people a reason to believe they can accomplish freedom through nonviolent means is essential to long term peace. 

Will not work.  This is isn't like the IRA.  Iran isn't NORAID.  Iran is a geopolitical foe to Israel that will continue to fill the pockets of Hamas leaders to do their bidding.  And we haven't even scratched the surface on the Qatar issue

5 hours ago, pokemonster said:

It is pretty incredible how these dudes just pile on muscle like nobody's business. Like Carter Starocci, he's supposedly doing a 23 lb jump next year. If this dude shows up with 23 lbs of extra muscle, there's no fkkn way he does it clean. 

Depends on what his current walk around weight  is and what is end goal is to cut to 197.  He just wrestled at 86kg and didn't look small by any means

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

When wearing a cap he looks just like the greatest with cap, give him a year and prob won't need the cap to fool folks.  

Good point.  We need to bookmark this bald topic for when Jimmy steals it for one of this threads.  @Idaho can you file this for a potential future lawsuit?

@ionel you think David Taylor is bald enough to become one of the all time great coaches?