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7 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I think the problem with this is when it's somebody high profile, like say an Olympic gold medalist, who has made being highly moralistic and religious the center of his public image, life, etc, but they get caught up in something, that's when it's more problematic. Because it means this person is lying about his lifestyle and all the things he told kids for years is just BS. 

Doubt it.  If anything it would be a big story for 48 hours and the only people who would care after that are Iowa fans and a few other haters

11 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yeah, maybe I have worn out my welcome here. Time to take a break.

I got you flowers

15 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

are you sure? his uww profile is where I got it https://uww.org/athletes/forrest-jaxen-patrick

He wouldn't be able to compete this upcoming year in PIAA if he was currently 19.  Has to at least be 18 until the end of June

9 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

yes. for the exact opposite reason. 

Yes, the pace of building slowed in the last decade, foreclosures were high, exclusionary zoning rules, etc etc etc. 

7 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Good point. Famous people were always known to be adulterers and whatnot, but they at least had to pretend that it wasn't the case or cover it up. Now it seems like even when it is public knowledge, nobody gives an f. 

Gradually started before this but the big shift came in the 90's with the rise of Howard Stern and Jerry Springer.  It culminated with the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal.  Meaning the public was ready to shed the US "morality myth" that made it's last stand in the 80's.  

5 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Nowadays, it only seems like people care when this kind of stuff happens to the common man. This kinda stuff doesn't excuse you from being a politician, movie star, athlete, president, etc anymore. People go "oh my gosh, that's weird" and then move on as if nothing happened. Now, if you're working a 9-5, expect to be fired and divorced. 

I think this has been the case throughout history.  Rich and famous always get a pass breaking certain social norms vs the common man.  I've always seen it as the common man is perceived to be the more decent human so is expected to have higher values.   

I hope we can all agree this is an awesome P4P list and a lot to be excited for.  Team USA looking bright for the future

4 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

well he had his reputation destroyed, which is basically whats at stake here...

Robert Kraft?  I don't know anyone who cares except Bills and Jets fans

11 minutes ago, red viking said:

Think about what happens to property prices if property taxes become $0? There's basically no limit. We'd ALL be renting from multi billionaires who would buy up basically everything and rent it out. 

Yeah, that's already happening

There is no such thing as outright ownership, freedom, or privacy.  This concept is a Disney fairy tale.  Our country is structurally set up to provide us with levels of these rights and types of  ownership.  

18 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

Jon Jones is not undefeated even if you accept the Reyes decision.

Yes he is.  No one with any self respect counts his DQ to Matt Hamil as a loss

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

But RDR is only ranked #13 (or I guess #14).  Does that make him a “legit contender for the title”?

185 is deep.  I'd have him at #9 with a fight set up against Strickland.  Yes he's a title contender if the chips fall his way.  I don't think he can beat Imavov but can beat Driscus.  

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Isn’t Chimaev?

Yes he is.  I took mspart's statement as in a career.

3 minutes ago, mspart said:

Is there a case of an undefeated UFC fighter?   I am not aware of any.   UFC is tough and just about anyone can win on a given day. 

Jon Jones if you accept the Dominick Reyes decision and former champ Khabib if you accept the Gleison Tibau decision. 

6 hours ago, 1032004 said:

He did also basically say he still thinks he can beat Chimaev.  Seems like he wants to have his cake and eat it too since he acknowledged RDR was better and said “everyone I’ve fought since my first fight has had way more experience than me.”

I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect him to be champ caliber already, but I do think it’s reasonable to expect him to be top 15ish.   I think the better question then is Bo overrated, is is RDR underrated.

I think Bo has been properly labeled as a high level prospect.  That outcome can go both ways.  As for RDR I think he's properly rated. Outside the noise and spectacle of the last fight he was and still is considered a legit contender for the title.  He's up there in age so the window is small.

55 minutes ago, okokzach said:

3 years into his MMA career, Chandler won a belt.  

3 years into his MMA career, Gaethje won a belt and successfully defended it. 

3 years into his MMA career, Nickal lost to the only ranked fighter he's faced. 

I guess you didn't get the memo. It's not 2011 anymore.  The fighters are far better now

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Bo may be a better athlete than those two, but he isn't half the fighter.  I hope he becomes that guy, but spamming overhand rights like he's playing a video game is not the way to do it.  He has to become far more skillful, and not be so bothered by the slightest strike or the first time something doesn't go according to plan.  He wilted.  The wilt was both cardio and in terms of his willingness to deal with damage.  Maybe it was a liver kick that put him down, but the fight was trending in the wrong way way before that.

For sure.  He looked bad.  Like really bad

8 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Are you comparing him vs those guys with the same experience of NOW? Gaethje's leg kicks are better than anything in Bo's arsenal.  Power is part of being talented.  So is the ability to take shots and not quit and continue to fight.  Both Chandler and Gaethje have warred with and defeated excellent fighters with their striking.  Nickal... not so much.

What I am saying is Bo has more talent to become a better skillful striker with his hands like Cain Velasquez.  Neither Gaethje or Chandler have that talent nor did they ever possess that.  Poirier pieced them both up because both of them have the same blueprint; head down, move forward, swing.  Their hand skills are average.  

And yes, Gaethje has an awesome leg kick.  His KO of Poirier in the rematch was nuts

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

In no way is he a more talented striker than Gaethje or Chandler nor is he able to take a shot.  He began his MMA journey in 2019 and has very little growth to show for it.  

Other than my opinion of his striking relative to the other two wrestlers, I'm just parrotting things that guys like Cormier and Sonnen have said.

At this stage is his career he's more talented than both of them in striking.  Michael Chandler just learned head movement a couple years ago and Gaethje has no real boxing skills.  He just puts his head down and swings.  Luckily he has hammers for fists

13 minutes ago, mspart said:

What has Bo said about his loss?   Does it spur him to improve and continue or is he rethinking this plan of MMA?

mspart

Saw one clip where he showed humility and said RDR is just a better, more experienced and skilled fighter.  He followed with the generic, "I have to get better".  

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

AKA definitely works for guys with wrestling base.  Cormier and Cain, amongst others, became competent strikers who could still effectively wrestle.  I'm not sure what Bo is trying to do?  Does he think he's going to become a brawler like Gaethje or Chandler?

I don't think Bo knew what to do in that fight.  RDR has experience, is  6' 4" (height & length), big (fought at heavier weights), has world class submissions, and is a competent striker (dutch thai boxing).  It was a perfect storm.

As for Bo's style in general I haven't been able to figure it out.  He's been head and shoulders above his competition so far that I think he's still trying to figure it out.  My opinion is Cain Velasquez's style would be a great blue print for Bo.  Nickal has decent hands.  I hope he doesn't go the Gaethje/Chandler route.  He's far more talented than those two.  He has potential but I really think AKA would be the right move.

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I'm no expert, but I do listen to the experts.  A lot of what I heard was:

- Bo hasn't evolved enough to be a real threat to strike with good guys or submit them

- Bo needs to mix in at least the threat of the takedown

- Bo needs to be willing and able to use his wrestling when needed.  

- Bo was too easily bothered by some of the weaker shots he was taking

- DC and Chael appeared to question Bo's toughness and willingness to FIGHT when things got tough for him on Saturday.  DC brought up Mark Ellis who trained with AKA and gave up after one MMA fight, bc he realized that he wasn't mentally cut out for it.

Bo should be training with Cormier (AKA) and the Dagestani's when they're in the US.  ATT is a great team but I don't think they have the right playbook for someone like Bo.

@scourge165 ... Vid has gotten blurrier over time but one of my favorite vids of Sat

9 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Saitiev didn't even appear tall, he just had...INSANE balance, hips and a feel for Wrestling that may be unprecedented. He Wrestled...85KG I believe it was and he weighted about 80KG at one WC. 

Satiev was around 6 feet and spent his career at 74.  Wrestled once at Euro's up at 86

On 5/5/2025 at 6:56 PM, BruceyB said:

The fact that we don't see many long and lanky wrestlers at the higher levels of wrestling. I'm not saying you can't be successful with that body type, but if you were going to create a wrestling in a lab, I don't think you're using Nick Simmons as the prototype.

The two best to ever do it (Medved & Satiev) were tall and had length