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37 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

How is Meyer Shapiro a dark horse when nobody will be shocked if he makes finals?

7 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

and people were picking him to win it before the season started....that toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube.

One poster listed him.  Let's all calm down.  No one else thinks he's a dark horse

edit... ok I saw two posters mention him.  Now I'm worried of an impending apocalypse.  @Hammerlock3 do your thing.  Argue these two posters into oblivion.  It's our only chance for survival 

1 hour ago, jajensen09 said:

At one point of the year you could say PSU had a high high probability at 4 champs. Now I'd say the over under is 1.5.

These are terrible odds.  PSU has 5 guys ranked #1.  Lets say Starocci has to forfeit out you'd still set the over under at 2.5

1 minute ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said:

Yes Michael Beard.  And, why are they not dark horses?

 

I'm honestly not trying to come off as arrogant but I really don't think this needs to be explained

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Might top those but not Branch. 

Never said it did

If the tournament was seeded today the lowest seed with the highest potential would be Richard Figueroa.  

7 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said:

Cole Matthews

David Beard

Caleb Henson (maybe not a dark horse)

Bastida Yonger

Im assuming you meant Michael Beard?  But none of those guys are dark horses

56 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Dark Horse HOF

Wyatt "Chip and a Chair" Sheets - After an injury riddled season, comes in as the 33 seed at 157 in 2021 only after another wrestler had to withdraw (he was essentially the 34 seed), and takes 8th for a 25 slot improvement.

Yahya "Yeah Yeah" Thomas - Also in 2021, Thomas entered 149 as the 25 seed after a shaky B1G tournie, only to catch a heater and finish 3rd for a 22 slot jump.

Killian "So Nice I Will Do It Twice" Cardinale - There was something in the water in 2021. Cardinale entered that tournament as the 17 seed, but rallied to finish 7th at 125. Then, 2023 Cardinale told 2021 Cardinale to hold his beer. After having to take a med forfeit and an inj default at the ACC tournie, he snuck in as the 28 seed, before making the podium in 8th place.

Great list but 2015 Zeke Moisey tops all of these

33 minutes ago, ionel said:

There can't be two true seconds, I demand an extra match.  

fly is everyone's true first but who claimed him first?  

Id imagine it would be his very own momma, Mrs. Flutter Cement

9 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

If the guy who won the third place match lost in the semi to the guy who lost in the final, then we have true 2 and 3.

If the guy who won the third place match lost to the eventually champ in the semi, then we do not have true 2 or 3.

So, call it true second or true third. Its the same thing.

We always have true 4 and 1.

9 hours ago, ionel said:

Nope ... sometimes we do have true 2nd (first case) but sometimes need to wrestle 2nd vs 3rd to get true 2nd (second case).  

Did I mention we don't have true 6th?  

You two are my true seconds.

8 hours ago, flyingcement said:

The term "true" implies he is no greater nor worse than the placing he earned.  If he is at least third, that's not the same as true third (IMHO)

But he's my true first

1 hour ago, KCMO2 said:

Don't see that happening.  Ramirez won't get #2 with his loss to Olejnik and getting majored by KOT in the dual.  And no offense to MM, he's been very impressive, but he's only wrestled 1 top ten guy this season (so far).  I don't see that getting him over Carr, and leaving Carr and KOT at 2 and 3.   If Carr beats KOT at Big 12's, I see it  1.Carr,  2.MM,  3.KOT,  4.Ramirez.

Mesenbrink has 3 wins over top 10 guys in Flo Rankings Caliendo, Fish & Taylor or Intermat Caliendo, Fish & Amine.  He also has a victory over another top 15 guy in both rankings Bryce Hepner.  Ramirez also has the head to head over Carr.  In the scenario where MM wins Big 10 and Carr wins Big 12 it's very plausible it goes #1 MM, #2 Ramirez, #3 Carr, #4 KOT.  

37 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

I was hoping someone would notice. Haven't seen @nhs67 around lately so I wonder if he is coaching up Logan ThugMassabrink 

Saw him pretty active on Willie's twitter x thread a few hours ago.  Doing his thing.  Talkin some smack.  Made a comment about Mineo.  The usual

7 minutes ago, ionel said:

 

No one knows.  But i do know a Mesenbrink is a titmouse on the edge of slope grazing land

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

offshore

Ouch.  If he's going to jump levels like that then I'm shocked.  You'd think Cael would get him some lower level drilling competitions like the Marcellus Shale Natural Gas Open

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Haines likely confined to the drilling basement after B10s.  

Quite possible.  But in what style?  Hand, cordless, hammer, impact, or auger?  

I think Ryder Rogotzke is going to ruin a higher seeds dream this year or at a minimum give someones fanbase a near heart attack.  

21 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

I agree the committee is allowed to move someone within one seed of what the formula spits out so I was saying I could see them moving carr to 1 and MM to 2 to avoid a Carr vs Keegan semi. Not entirely sure I would agree with that, but I think its possible.

In this scenario.  I think they'd go MM #1, Ramirez #2, Carr #3, KOT #4.  They Could justify it

This is a great write up but just one glaring hole.  #16 seed Meyer Shapiro takes out Levi Haines Thursday night in the round of 16.  

15 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

Who do you think beats Zerban?

I'd favor Chittum, Mauller, & Teague over Zerban.  Jared Hill  & Cael Swensen are a toss ups

5 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

I'm not sure he can jump Jacori/Zerban assuming they win conferences and I don't know if blockhus takes second at big10's if he will pass him or potentially franek taking second, I should have said 4/5 although that seeding is rather immaterial.

Meyer will jump every non conference champ.  And I highly doubt Zerban wins the Big 12s.  His schedule has been a cake walk

1 hour ago, jajensen09 said:

Well levi 1. Shaprio 8?

15 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

assuming meyer wins EIWA's (he should) I would imagine he slots in somewhere around 5-6 he has really good wins and if he does not win EIWA's hes just not beating levi.

A) Meyer will win EIWA.  No one is beating him B)  He'll be seeded in the top 4 as a conference champ with wins over Mauller, Scott, Andonian, & Swisher

1 hour ago, Jim L said:

My favorite NCAA trivia question

Name two wrestlers with a combined 10 NCAA titles who did not have a HS wrestling team

Carlton Haselrig is one of the answers 

9 hours ago, ionel said:

... used to be able to get a good fly warranty ...  

you owe us a topic this week

4 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I feel a little impacted by watching Ramos get fourth at CKLV.  He didn't seem to have enough separation over the pack.  Whereas Ayala has one excellent skill that although its intangible, he has proven to possess it: he's clutch and timely

Except when he faced Ramos?

1 hour ago, AgaveMaria said:

OSU sure didn't look like worldbeaters as they have the past few duals. Is Iowa in their heads?

Okie State is young. (4) Freshman and (1) Sophomore in their starting lineup.  Youth could've played a factor in a few matches.  As for Olejnik, I think Caliendo is forever in his head

4 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I am also coming around on the idea of Ayala being a nose ahead of the pack right now. 

Ahead of Matt Ramos?