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There is no legitimate case for Dake, IMO. Cael won four, undefeated, bonus throughout. Cael did everything we would ask to be considered the greatest.

The bold is just false. And you literally went to name-calling in the next sentence!

Disagreeing with somebody is not condescending. However, I freely admit there are some people on here that I have condescended to on this thread (and who have condescended to me). However, it seems like you and Mr. Dimon are only focusing on one side that needs to show respect to the other, and THAT has been my point from the beginning of my entry into this thread. Democrats and Biden are called to task for even the mildest criticism or disrespect, whereas Trump and Republicans are allowed to make among the most despicable accusations one can make with no proof and it's all handwaved away. As to Biden breaking with his party, here's a quick smattering of the oil links and the last one touches on multiple breaks with party. https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/biden-administration-oil-gas-drilling-approvals-outpace-trumps-2023-01-24/ https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/29/politics/biden-offshore-drilling-plan-climate/index.html https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-broke-central-campaign-promise-progressives-not-happy https://thehill.com/homenews/4366339-biden-takes-hits-from-democrats-on-multiple-fronts/

Then you're not paying attention. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics/donald-trump-biden-retweet/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/16/us/donald-trump-jr-biden-smear.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon I'm sorry you feel that way. I feel that, in general, our exchanges have been cordial; however I would love to for you to point out a place where I've been irrational. And Biden IS doing all that. In the real world. Getting things passed that are bipartisan support, despite the efforts of certain aspects of conservative political sphere trying hard to undermine that, and doing things counter to what the more progressive wings of his party want, such as how he's handling the Israel-Palestine conflict or his administrations actions re: drilling for oil.

Good point. So your argument is that Biden should treat the people who call him either a child-eating pedophile or dementia-ridden puppet with the utmost respect? Because he personally draws a distinction between all Republicans and the MAGA movement. Or that Democrats in general should treat with respect the people who call them child-groomers intent on destroying the country? Why is this not a mutual requirement? Because that's what we're talking about here. Not the people who are able to converse respectfully with one another. As mentioned previously, I consider @Husker_Du a personal friend and he and I differ greatly on politics. Lots of my family members are on the conservative end of the spectrum, most of them are able to discuss things respectfully. That kind of conversation happens all over the country every day. If Dimon is talking about every progressive talking to every conservative, he's arguing against a straw man.

Combined with a Trump attorney arguing on his behalf that Trump should be immune even if he ordered the assassination of a political rival, things are going....really great. Maybe Jamie Dimon can weigh in again about how the Democrats are the problem?

A little over. The max is 717.5 years.

You have no idea what you're talking about or what i, a criminal defense lawyer, think about incarceration. I actually do not believe Trump should Trump should be incarcerated if he's convicted in either the documents case or the hush money case. If convicted in either of the election interference cases, I'm more open to the idea because those caused real damage to other people. I think as a country we over-incarcerate people. I would limit lengthy incarceration it primarily to crimes of violence.

Don't be fooled by the number. Prosecutors often use those numbers to scare defendants and reporters don't really know any better. That's the maximum sentence. In the real world, maximum sentences are extremely rare, especially for a first conviction, especially for "white collar" crimes such as those alleged here. He most likely will be sentenced to probation, possibly with some incarceration on the front end. All of it depends on a lot of things; his sentence may be made worse because of his high profile and the desire to appear non-biased and/or tough on crime, but nothing like 17 years. A lot will also depend on where he scores out under federal sentencing guidelines, although those aren't typically as strictly followed as the ones here in Florida are.

How is it sour grapes? It's ridiculous for people to demand to be treated with respect from a person that they have, again, alternated between calling a child-eating pedophile and a senile, dementia-ridden bumbling puppet. Dimon has a long history of political advocacy, mostly for moderate Dem causes in the late aughts to early 2010s, and shifting rightward (though not dramatically so, since the middle of that decade.

I literally watched the video of him saying it. I'm not missing his point at all, I'm pointing out the ridiculous double standard. He says that Democrats and Biden should "be more respectful of their fellow citizens" while never asking the same from the conservatives. They always get a free pass in these conversations. It's like when media claims that left-wingers "talk down about rural America" but right-wingers are given free reign to say whatever they want about cities. Biden should be more respectful of the "75 million people voting for Trump" but Trump is out giving speeches about how the people who voted against him LITERALLY WANT TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY. I wish the rhetoric from both sides was better, but it's not and Trump is a far more egregious accelerant to that than Biden is.

The hypocrisy from that section of that side of the aisle of demanding civility is hilarious. They've alternated between calling Biden a child-eating pedophile and a bumbling senile puppet since 2020! The double standard they DEMAND be enforced is incredible. ETA: Also, the idea that Dimon has stayed out of politics is wildly untrue.

Kueter is going to make rapid improvements. Not "title threat" improvements, but I think he's a solid AA by the time March rolls around. His effort while gassed was impressive, he pushed thru.

Brenner went with the Ric Flair eye gouge.

Franek finally got burned, been playing with it all year.

*waits patiently for trap to spring*

Man this place cleared out real quick.

Now we see why polar bears are endangered.

Should? Why? That match will look about like that every time. Not Franek winning, but razor close.

"Rarely is one takedown going to be enough in a matchup like this." Is this his first time watching either guy?

Rathjen could have been hit with stalling twice already....there it is.

That was some horseshit.

I swear to God, I don't know what's wrong, I can't even blame that on typing on my phone, I was at my desk.