NCAA Qualifiers By State: Askren effect

[BruceyB]

Flo released NCAA qualifiers by state here.

What jumped out at me was Wisconsin at #7. I'm not sure the exact number of the 15 that were AWA kids, but I know that..

Mulvaney, Scoles, Bianchi, Sinclair, Millard, Mirasola, and Mesenbrink were definitely AWA guys. Not sure about the rest.

It's really impressive how Ben and Max have been able to implement their vision of raising the level of Wisconsin wrestling. 

 

	State	# Of Qualifiers
1	PA	50
2	OH	28
2	NJ	28
4	CA	23
5	IL	18
6	NY	16
7	WI	15
8	MN	12
8	IN	12
10	MI	11
10	FL	11

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Flo released NCAA qualifiers by state here.

What jumped out at me was Wisconsin at #7. I'm not sure the exact number of the 15 that were AWA kids, but I know that..

Mulvaney, Scoles, Bianchi, Sinclair, Millard, Mirasola, and Mesenbrink were definitely AWA guys. Not sure about the rest.

It's really impressive how Ben and Max have been able to implement their vision of raising the level of Wisconsin wrestling. 

 

	State	# Of Qualifiers
1	PA	50
2	OH	28
2	NJ	28
4	CA	23
5	IL	18
6	NY	16
7	WI	15
8	MN	12
8	IN	12
10	MI	11
10	FL	11

More wrestlers better chance of qualifiers.  Now do it by state HS wrestling population.  IN and FL look impressive to me.  

[BruceyB]

24 minutes ago, ionel said:

More wrestlers better chance of qualifiers.  Now do it by state HS wrestling population.  IN and FL look impressive to me.  

As of this participation report from NFHS for the 2022-2023 season..

Washington State is #12 in participation. Haiden Drury is the lone Washingtonian at the D1 tournament this year.

California has more than double the participation numbers of PA but has less than half as many NQ.

Participation is great, but elite coaching is what gets guys to the level where they can compete with the 1% of high school wrestlers that go D1.

Compare Wisconsin's NQs over the past few years versus 10-15 years ago and the difference that access to high level coaching makes.

[kschlosser]

With Ben's success on the mat and in the cage, diverse career, and the growing success of AWA athletes over the last decade the Askren name means a lot. Max should get a ton of credit as well that he might not get in his brother's shadow. There are other coaches on there staff as well as parents and community giving support.

No doubt the Askren brothers combined work has elevated not only the AWA but those chasing them as well.

With that said, does Max have any aspirations of college coaching or is he happy, challenged, and satisfied staying in the club environment or scholastic levels as is?

Seems a lot of names get thrown around with no or little college experience to jump start or rebuild a program but I don't seem to remember Max's name discussed. I have seen Ben mentioned a lot before his condition and after, but seems to me he has the potential with a track record of development others don't.

Edited March 12 by kschlosser

[Konquest]

2 minutes ago, kschlosser said:

With Ben's success on the mat and in the cage, his past and more so recent health, diverse career, and the growing success of AWA athletes over the last decade the Askren name means a lot. Max should get a ton of credit as well that he might not get in his brother's shadow. There are other coaches on there staff as well as parents and community giving support. No doubt the Askren's combined work has elevated not only the AWA but those chasing them as well.

With that said, does Max have any aspirations of college coaching or is he happy, challenged, and satisfied staying in the club environment as is?

Seems a lot of names get thrown around with no or little college experience to jump start or rebuild a program but I don't seem to remember Max's name discussed. Seems to me he has the potential with a track record of development others don't.

Scoles, Millard, the Mirasola twins, and Parker Keckeisen are Max Askren products.  Max's gym is in Mequon (just north of Milwaukee) and he lives there with his wife and kids.  Max is, to put it mildly, a different personality than Ben, but pretty even in terms of technical knowledge and "lifelong learner" mindset.  Both of them make time for people and make kids feel special, from a beginner to a national champ.  One thing that they preach is asking a lot of questions and picking the brains of clinicians/Q&A during technique session.  The AWA kids always have their hands up and ask really good questions at practices!  So they are in essence creating a pipeline of future coaches at their gyms when they decide to hang it up someday.  It'd be wild, if 10 years from now, Parker and Aeoden were the head coaches at AWA northshore and AWA/Advance Madison!

[peanut]

45 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

As of this participation report from NFHS for the 2022-2023 season..

Washington State is #12 in participation. Haiden Drury is the lone Washingtonian at the D1 tournament this year.

California has more than double the participation numbers of PA but has less than half as many NQ.

Participation is great, but elite coaching is what gets guys to the level where they can compete with the 1% of high school wrestlers that go D1.

Compare Wisconsin's NQs over the past few years versus 10-15 years ago and the difference that access to high level coaching makes.

The availability of academies is a big deal. It allows kids to get more technically sound earlier. But so is the availability of college opportunities, either in state or nearby. There just aren’t a ton of D1 programs in California or Washington.

[kschlosser]

Thanks for response conquest. I've been following them from afar from their early days when they were starting out and old man messenbrink was helping. Is he still involved or being proud papa?

 

Wouldn't let me edit last sentence above but my college questions were related to Max.

I might be misremembering but didnt Ben help at Mizzou while he was wrestling and maybe Wisconsin when he was MMA?

I have a harder time seeing Ben stepping into a college room and getting on the mat post transplant. That's why I was asking about Max.

Can you not edit if you have been quoted? Or if you close the post?  Didn't want to change the meaning, I just moved the health stuff with ben and it didn't make sense as I edited it the first time.

Phone posting is a pain for a retired old man

Edited March 12 by kschlosser

[MizzouFan01]

20 minutes ago, kschlosser said:

Thanks for response conquest. I've been following them from afar from their early days when they were starting out and old man messenbrink was helping. Is he still involved or being proud papa?

 

Wouldn't let me edit last sentence above but my college questions were related to Max.

I might be misremembering but didnt Ben help at Mizzou while he was wrestling and maybe Wisconsin when he was MMA?

I have a harder time seeing Ben stepping into a college room and getting on the mat post transplant. That's why I was asking about Max.

Can you not edit if you have been quoted? Or if you close the post?  Didn't want to change the meaning, I just moved the health stuff with ben and it didn't make sense as I edited it the first time.

Phone posting is a pain for a retired old man

Ben was an assistant at Mizzou for a couple years once he graduated. He was also hired by Bono to run the RTC at Wisconsin, but it was a brief stint due to what Ben has said was disagreements on the direction f the program and how things should be done. 

[jchapman]

52 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said:

Ben was an assistant at Mizzou for a couple years once he graduated. He was also hired by Bono to run the RTC at Wisconsin, but it was a brief stint due to what Ben has said was disagreements on the direction f the program and how things should be done. 

Ben was also an assistant at ASU.

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, peanut said:

The availability of academies is a big deal. It allows kids to get more technically sound earlier. But so is the availability of college opportunities, either in state or nearby. There just aren’t a ton of D1 programs in California or Washington.

I agree with that to an extent. Having nearby college programs, let alone D1 is obviously a big help. I don't believe that is necessarily the main obstacle though. Wisconsin's college landscape hasn't changed since AWA started, but the quality of high schoolers coming out of Wisconsin has. Georgia has been producing quality high schoolers despite not having any D1 programs nearby. Florida is in the top 10 without any D1 programs.

[MichiganMade3]

Team Donahue from Michigan has five or six of the Michigan qualifiers

Edited March 12 by MichiganMade3