Global Warming is skyrocketing

[mspart]

5 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Which one uses it as a political tool? Which party thinks they're going to save the world by taxing me more because of global warming? Which party is making all the dire predictions?

It's the one that all the "wingers" hate.  Hence they have no choice.  Thank you WA you winger hate state for giving us the $0.50/gallon CO2 tax on gas and diesel.  Last I saw, $4.09/gallon for gas, $4.99/gallon diesel as the cheapest I've seen here in the Seattle King County area.   Normal is $4.79/gal for gas, and $5.25/gal for diesel around here.  

And the state will not tell us how effective this is in lowering CO2 levels.  State law says they have to but they refuse and the courts don't force them to.   Yes, there nothing to see here, trust us.  

mspart

Edited December 10, 2025 by mspart

[red viking]

16 minutes ago, mspart said:

It's the one that all the "wingers" hate.  Hence they have no choice.  Thank you WA you winger hate state for giving us the $0.50/gallon CO2 tax on gas and diesel.  Last I saw, $4.09/gallon for gas, $4.99/gallon diesel as the cheapest I've seen here in the Seattle King County area.   Normal is $4.79/gal for gas, and $5.25/gal for diesel around here.  

And the state will not tell us how effective this is in lowering CO2 levels.  State law says they have to but they refuse and the courts don't force them to.   Yes, there nothing to see here, trust us.  

mspart

Policy for how to react to man-made global warming is a completely separate issue. I actually see the point in largely holding off in our response to global warming when other mass CO2 emitters like India/Chiina aren't willing to do the same thing. However, let's not spread lies about global warming just because we don't want to do anything about it. 

[red viking]

25 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Which party is making all the dire predictions?

Both parties are guilty of exaggerating (over or under). Lots of you dumb wingers try to argue that global warming isn't even happening or that it's all or mostly natural. That's complete crap. 

I'd rather look to the scientists instead of politicians. That's where you wingers are more guilty or going wrong here. You find some random winger YouTuber and believe what they say about global warming and ignore the scientists. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Both parties are guilty of exaggerating (over or under). Lots of you dumb wingers try to argue that global warming isn't even happening or that it's all or mostly natural. That's complete crap. 

I'd rather look to the scientists instead of politicians. That's where you wingers are more guilty or going wrong here. You find some random winger YouTuber and believe what they say about global warming and ignore the scientists. 

Only one party is taxing the shit out of everything over it with zero accountability or any metrics to show if it is working or not. 

[Offthemat]

11 minutes ago, mspart said:

It's the one that all the "wingers" hate.  Hence they have no choice.  Thank you WA you winger hate state for giving us the $0.50/gallon CO2 tax on gas and diesel.  Last I saw, $4.09/gallon for gas, $4.99/gallon diesel as the cheapest I've seen here in the Seattle King County area.   Normal is $4.79/gal for gas, and $5.25/gal for diesel around here.  

And the state will not tell us how effective this is in lowering CO2 levels.  State law says they have to but they refuse and the courts don't force them to.   Yes, there nothing to see here, trust us.  

mspart

Then you get to pay higher prices for stuff that gets trucked in.  Trucks get a fuel allowance based on the price of fuel where they travel.  That expense gets transferred to the customer in the form of higher prices. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Then you get to pay higher prices for stuff that gets trucked in.  Trucks get a fuel allowance based on the price of fuel where they travel.  That expense gets transferred to the customer in the form of higher prices. 

Not only is gas far more expensive.   Everything else goes up.   What happens to the cities or states sales tax on groceries or stuff that the higher costs gets transferred to the customer?  Wait those taxes go up too?  
 

Almost like they know what they are doing there.  

[Offthemat]

Historical data shows that we are currently experiencing a cool spell.  ‘Global warming’ is also a misnomer.  Many of the record daily high high temperatures are from the 1920s and’30s.  What is changing is nighttime and winter temperatures are rising a little.  Temperatures are becoming more moderate.  But ‘Global Moderation’ is hard to raise money for. 

[Offthemat]

13 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Not only is gas far more expensive.   Everything else goes up.   What happens to the cities or states sales tax on groceries or stuff that the higher costs gets transferred to the customer?  Wait those taxes go up too?  
 

Almost like they know what they are doing there.  

Yep.  Inflation is toxic that way. 

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Historical data shows that we are currently experiencing a cool spell.  ‘Global warming’ is also a misnomer.  Many of the record daily high high temperatures are from the 1920s and’30s.  What is changing is nighttime and winter temperatures are rising a little.  Temperatures are becoming more moderate.  But ‘Global Moderation’ is hard to raise money for. 

Huh? Overall global temps are much higher than they were in the 1920s and 1930s. There's 0% doubt about that. Where are you getting this BS from? Some YouTuber again? 

The decade associated with record highs in one particular part of the world have almost no bearing on overall global temps. This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen in my life. 

Edited December 10, 2025 by red viking

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Yep.  Inflation is toxic that way. 

Trump said prices are going down. More BS from him, as always. 

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Historical data shows that we are currently experiencing a cool spell.

...and also where the hell did you get this from? Or are you just talking about the midwestern United States compared to this time last year? There are so many dumb statements in  your last post that I don't even know where to start....

Edited December 10, 2025 by red viking

[Offthemat]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Huh? Overall global temps are much higher than they were in the 1920s and 1930s. There's 0% doubt about that. Where are you getting this BS from? Some YouTuber again? 

The decade associated with record highs in one particular part of the world have almost no bearing on overall global temps. This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen in my life. 

Not overall, record highs.  Overall temperatures reflect the fact that nighttime and winter lows are moderating.  The info comes from scientists.  

[Offthemat]

Record highs 

Temp. °C	Date	Station	Elevation in feet
Alabama	112	44	Sept. 5, 1925	Centerville	345
Alaska	100	38	June 27, 1915	Fort Yukon	est. 420
Arizona	128	53	June 29, 1994	Lake Havasu City	505
Arkansas	120	49	Aug. 10, 1936	Ozark	396
California	134	57	July 10, 1913	Greenland Ranch	-178
Colorado	115	46	July 20, 2019	John Martin Reservoir	3,852
Connecticut	106	41	July 15, 1995	Danbury	450
Delaware	110	43	July 21, 1930	Millsboro	20
D.C.	106	41	July 20, 1930	Washington	410
Florida	109	43	June 29, 1931	Monticello	207
Georgia	112	44	Aug. 20, 1983	Greenville	860
Hawaii	100	38	Apr. 27, 1931	Pahala	850
Idaho	118	48	July 28, 1934	Orofino	1,027
Illinois	117	47	July 14, 1954	E. St. Louis	410
Indiana	116	47	July 14, 1936	Collegeville	672
Iowa	118	48	July 20, 1934	Keokuk	614
Kansas	121	49	July 24, 19361	Alton (near)	1,651
Kentucky	114	46	July 28, 1930	Greensburg	581
Louisiana	114	46	Aug. 10, 19361	Plain Dealing	268
Maine	105	41	July 10, 19111	North Bridgton	450
Maryland	109	43	July 10, 19361	Cumberland & Frederick	623; 325
Massachusetts	107	42	Aug. 2, 1975	New Bedford & Chester	120; 640
Michigan	112	44	July 13, 1936	Mio	963
Minnesota	114	46	July 6, 19361	Moorhead	904
Mississippi	115	46	July 29, 1930	Holly Springs	600
Missouri	118	48	July 14, 19541	Warsaw & Union	705; 560
Montana	117	47	July 5, 1937	Medicine Lake	1,950
Nebraska	118	48	July 24, 19361	Minden	2,169
Nevada	125	52	June 29, 19941	Laughlin	605
New Hampshire	106	41	July 4, 1911	Nashua	125
New Jersey	110	43	July 10, 1936	Runyon	18
New Mexico	122	50	June 27, 1994	Waste Isolat. Pilot Pit	3,418
New York	108	42	July 22, 1926	Troy	35
North Carolina	110	43	Aug. 21, 1983	Fayetteville	213
North Dakota	121	49	July 6, 1936	Steele	1,857
Ohio	113	45	July 21, 19341	Gallipolis (near)	673
Oklahoma	120	49	June 27, 19941	Tipton	1,350
Oregon	119	48	Aug. 10, 18981	Pendleton	1,074
Pennsylvania	111	44	July 10, 19361	Phoenixville	100
Rhode Island	104	40	Aug. 2, 1975	Providence	51
South Carolina	113	45	June 29, 2012	Columbia	292
South Dakota	120	49	July 15, 2006	Fort Pierre	1,434
Tennessee	113	45	Aug. 9, 19301	Perryville	377
Texas	120	49	June 28, 19941	Monahans	2,660
Utah	117	47	July 5, 1895	Saint George	2,880
Vermont	105	41	July 4, 1911	Vernon	310
Virginia	110	43	July 15, 1954	Balcony Falls	725
Washington	118	48	Aug. 5, 19611	Ice Harbor Dam	475
West Virginia	112	44	July 10, 19361	Martinsburg	435
Wisconsin	114	46	July 13, 1936	Wisconsin Dells	900
Wyoming	115	46	Aug. 8, 1983	Basin

Edited December 10, 2025 by Offthemat

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Yep.  Inflation is toxic that way. 

When you add a 50 cent tax to a gallon that's not inflation 

Edited December 10, 2025 by El Luchador

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

Are you also a flat-earther? Believe that we didn't land on the moon? What a whack job winger! 

Sheeple.  Yep. You’re a sheeple 

[JimmySpeaks]

That damn dust bowl. Man there must have been some serious global warming back then 

[Offthemat]

3 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

When you add a 50 cent tax to a gallon that's not inflation

Well, it’s not caused by inflation, but it is inflation to the person paying it. 

[Offthemat]

3 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

That damn dust bowl. Man there must have been some serious global warming back then 

The Dust Bowl was caused by a lack of rain, not farming practices, not temperatures, lack of rain.  Just follow the equator and notice the difference in areas that get plenty of rain and those that don’t.  Some places are a jungle, some places are deserts. 

[red viking]

15 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Record highs 

Temp. °C	Date	Station	Elevation in feet
Alabama	112	44	Sept. 5, 1925	Centerville	345
Alaska	100	38	June 27, 1915	Fort Yukon	est. 420
Arizona	128	53	June 29, 1994	Lake Havasu City	505
Arkansas	120	49	Aug. 10, 1936	Ozark	396
California	134	57	July 10, 1913	Greenland Ranch	-178
Colorado	115	46	July 20, 2019	John Martin Reservoir	3,852
Connecticut	106	41	July 15, 1995	Danbury	450
Delaware	110	43	July 21, 1930	Millsboro	20
D.C.	106	41	July 20, 1930	Washington	410
Florida	109	43	June 29, 1931	Monticello	207
Georgia	112	44	Aug. 20, 1983	Greenville	860
Hawaii	100	38	Apr. 27, 1931	Pahala	850
Idaho	118	48	July 28, 1934	Orofino	1,027
Illinois	117	47	July 14, 1954	E. St. Louis	410
Indiana	116	47	July 14, 1936	Collegeville	672
Iowa	118	48	July 20, 1934	Keokuk	614
Kansas	121	49	July 24, 19361	Alton (near)	1,651
Kentucky	114	46	July 28, 1930	Greensburg	581
Louisiana	114	46	Aug. 10, 19361	Plain Dealing	268
Maine	105	41	July 10, 19111	North Bridgton	450
Maryland	109	43	July 10, 19361	Cumberland & Frederick	623; 325
Massachusetts	107	42	Aug. 2, 1975	New Bedford & Chester	120; 640
Michigan	112	44	July 13, 1936	Mio	963
Minnesota	114	46	July 6, 19361	Moorhead	904
Mississippi	115	46	July 29, 1930	Holly Springs	600
Missouri	118	48	July 14, 19541	Warsaw & Union	705; 560
Montana	117	47	July 5, 1937	Medicine Lake	1,950
Nebraska	118	48	July 24, 19361	Minden	2,169
Nevada	125	52	June 29, 19941	Laughlin	605
New Hampshire	106	41	July 4, 1911	Nashua	125
New Jersey	110	43	July 10, 1936	Runyon	18
New Mexico	122	50	June 27, 1994	Waste Isolat. Pilot Pit	3,418
New York	108	42	July 22, 1926	Troy	35
North Carolina	110	43	Aug. 21, 1983	Fayetteville	213
North Dakota	121	49	July 6, 1936	Steele	1,857
Ohio	113	45	July 21, 19341	Gallipolis (near)	673
Oklahoma	120	49	June 27, 19941	Tipton	1,350
Oregon	119	48	Aug. 10, 18981	Pendleton	1,074
Pennsylvania	111	44	July 10, 19361	Phoenixville	100
Rhode Island	104	40	Aug. 2, 1975	Providence	51
South Carolina	113	45	June 29, 2012	Columbia	292
South Dakota	120	49	July 15, 2006	Fort Pierre	1,434
Tennessee	113	45	Aug. 9, 19301	Perryville	377
Texas	120	49	June 28, 19941	Monahans	2,660
Utah	117	47	July 5, 1895	Saint George	2,880
Vermont	105	41	July 4, 1911	Vernon	310
Virginia	110	43	July 15, 1954	Balcony Falls	725
Washington	118	48	Aug. 5, 19611	Ice Harbor Dam	475
West Virginia	112	44	July 10, 19361	Martinsburg	435
Wisconsin	114	46	July 13, 1936	Wisconsin Dells	900
Wyoming	115	46	Aug. 8, 1983	Basin

Yah; this demonstrates nothing as far as overall global warming/cooling trend. Any climatologist, much less any scientist, is going to laugh at this argument. Lots of problems with this, starting with the fact that you are only looking at one particular part of the world, and also only looking at record highs, which also tell you next to nothing about overall heat. 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

The Dust Bowl was caused by a lack of rain, not farming practices, not temperatures, lack of rain.  Just follow the equator and notice the difference in areas that get plenty of rain and those that don’t.  Some places are a jungle, some places are deserts. 

Where are there deserts along the equator (except for possibly very small/narrow areas in rain shadows due to elevation changes)? 

Edited December 10, 2025 by red viking

[mspart]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

Where are there deserts along the equator (except for possibly very small/narrow areas in rain shadows due to elevation changes)? 

Kenya and Somalia.   

mspart

[red viking]

40 minutes ago, mspart said:

Kenya and Somalia.   

mspart

Those are rain shadows, as I suggested. 

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

Those are rain shadows, as I suggested. 

large parts of Somalia and northern Kenya are arid, semi-arid, and desert

[Offthemat]

33 minutes ago, red viking said:

Those are rain shadows, as I suggested.

That’s where deserts are - where it doesn’t rain much.  The dry dirt turns to dust, blows to the ocean, where it sinks to the bottom, causing the seas to rise.  

[ionel]

44 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

The dry dirt turns to dust ... 

rv is a rock guy he doesn't understand dirt and dust.