Michigan State Open

[OH-Wolverine]

Will we get an entry list before Saturday? It’s normally one of the more competitive opens early in the season. 

[flyingcement]

https://www.wrestlestat.com/event/96236/participants/teams

[Brew]

Why are the Larkins and Manville wrestling in the freshman/soph division?

 

[nhs67]

34 minutes ago, Brew said:

Why are the Larkins and Manville wrestling in the freshman/soph division?

 

Because they are Frosh and Soph by grade classification.

Also, they're cowards. 

[ionel]

14 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Because they are Frosh and Soph by grade classification.

Also, they're cowards. 

Academically, athletically or both? 

[Tyler Perry]

On 11/6/2025 at 8:30 PM, OH-Wolverine said:

Will we get an entry list before Saturday? It’s normally one of the more competitive opens early in the season. 

 

51 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Because they are Frosh and Soph by grade classification.

Also, they're cowards. 

 

1 hour ago, Brew said:

Why are the Larkins and Manville wrestling in the freshman/soph division?

 

And Nicco Ruiz   

[nhs67]

4 hours ago, Tyler Perry said:

 

 

And Nicco Ruiz   

 

5 hours ago, Brew said:

Why are the Larkins and Manville wrestling in the freshman/soph division?

 

On second thought, they're stat-padding cowards.

That is why.

[Hammerlock3]

6 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Because they are Frosh and Soph by grade classification.

Also, they're cowards. 

zeke's decision making i wouldn't describe as cowardly, but I would say its too clever by 5 halves. 

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said:

zeke's decision making i wouldn't describe as cowardly, but I would say its too clever by 5 halves. 

Explain, please?

It is clearly stat padding.  The matches count against D1 competition despite being JV matches.

[Hammerlock3]

14 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Explain, please?

It is clearly stat padding.  The matches count against D1 competition despite being JV matches.

I've explained on here before but I think Jones' approach to coaching is based on a high level freestyle mindset where you're pampering ultra elite athletes who win chess matches as opposed to brawls. I'm not saying that mindset is always bad but its a lower level, and its folk so its inherently more of a grind. 

[nhs67]

3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I've explained on here before but I think Jones' approach to coaching is based on a high level freestyle mindset where you're pampering ultra elite athletes who win chess matches as opposed to brawls. I'm not saying that mindset is always bad but its a lower level, and its folk so its inherently more of a grind. 

Ah, that is fair.  I hadn't considered that.

That said, I do think if a guy is hailed as the starter, you don't enter him in to the Fr/So division.  It ruins the spirit of what the division is intended for.

Especially if he is ranked by all major outlets.

I mean, didn't the heavier Larkin take a gap year before redshirtting twice?

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

 

That said, I do think if a guy is hailed as the starter, you don't enter him in to the Fr/So division.  It ruins the spirit of what the division is intended for.

Yeah thats what I'm saying. Putting him in a weaker division just seems like pampering to me. Don't love using that word cause it sounds like I'm trying to act tough or something but its what I'm getting at.

[Greenwave]

Agree with all being said, but it also looks like the MSU open has been declining in overall numbers and talent for several years now.