Crap Country: U.S. 46th In Life Expectancy

[JimmySpeaks]

18 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Hmmm...

You chose diet coke, which is a bad choice in terms of health. Regular pepsi is a much better choice at lunch.

The other woman chose (2) pepsi's and a cookie. Hard to say - maybe she was providing for her family. Maybe in addition to what they were able to obtain for lunch that day. Just maybe. Neither of us know.

Aside of speculation, you choosing diet coke is a factual problem. Healthwise, that is terrible for you. (Not to mention a C store burger.)

No-cost health care solves a bunch of problems for countries around the world. Maybe look into it if you can spare the time.

Maybe look into how nothing is no cost.  

[GreatWhiteNorth]

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

It was C store or no lunch, 12 hr days so needed to eat.  It mightve been a diet Dr. Pepper.  The doctor can't be bad health choice no? 

Looking into no-cost healthcare that other countries are utilizing successfully around the world would be my recommendation for you if I were a doctor.

But I would also advise against "diet" sodas of any sort. Even though I'm not doctor and don't play one on TV.

 

[Gene Mills Fan]

6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Looking into no-cost healthcare that other countries are utilizing successfully around the world would be my recommendation for you if I were a doctor.

But I would also advise against "diet" sodas of any sort. Even though I'm not doctor and don't play one on TV.

 

you know you will need to pay more taxes to pay for all doctor bills of the bad choice people drinking diet soda.

Or do the doctors make less, and then you get a 60$ an hour doctor operating on you. Or weeks to see a doctor because no good candidate is going to gain the knowledge for that wage.   I've heard about the health care quality at no cost

[Caveira]

7 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Looking into no-cost healthcare that other countries are utilizing successfully around the world would be my recommendation for you if I were a doctor.

But I would also advise against "diet" sodas of any sort. Even though I'm not doctor and don't play one on TV.

 

 

 

In Canada, wait times for a doctor are significant, with the median wait time for specialist treatment at 30.0 weeks in 2024, up from 27.7 weeks in 2023. The wait is divided into two segments: a 15.0-week wait to see a specialist and a subsequent 15.0-week wait from the specialist consultation to receiving treatment. Wait times vary considerably by province and the specific medical specialty, with some provinces having much longer waits than others. 

 

Key statistics 

• Median national wait time: 30.0 weeks in 2024 
• Wait from GP referral to specialist consultation:15.0 weeks 
• Wait from specialist to treatment: 15.0 weeks 
• Provincial variations:
  • Longest waits: Prince Edward Island (77.4 weeks) and New Brunswick (69.4 weeks)
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• Specialty variations:
  • Longest waits:Orthopaedic surgery (57.5 weeks) and Neurosurgery (46.2 weeks) 
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[Scouts Honor]

at no cost 

[Gene Mills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

at no cost 

free waiting to see an undereducated hack

[Doublehalf]

I think our current system is designed to give the illusion of "choice" when it comes to choosing a healthy lifestyle but when you have a system designed with things such as:

-Transportation system heavily reliant on personal vehicles vs public transit and biking/walking etc it creates the opportunity to be more sedentary.

-Checking out in a grocery store and the checkout lane being lined with candy bars vs fresh fruit 

-The unlimited amount of ingredients in processed foods that lead to health issues that need treated 

-Dollar generals taking over and being the only source for groceries in many rural areas with a strong lack of fresh produce 

-Corporations polluting fresh water sources leading to pockets of health issues -DuPont anyone? 
 

- Lobbying efforts by corporations to eat more meat which- when grilled/cooked, release carcinogens that aid in the development of abnormal cells leading to cancer 

-General lack of regulation around how our chicken and meats are produced for consumption and the amount of antibiotics and down right disgusting conditions they live in prior to processing 

-The lobbying efforts of pharmaceutical companies essentially make their billions on a sick population dependent on their drugs 

-The country's general lifestyle of 'excess' and the way in which people eat and consume humungous portion sizes 

-Poor and unhealthy food options being offered in schools all over the country which lead to bad eating habits for a lifetime 

The list goes on and on....this is honestly a good conversation to have but I fear big business has been heavily incentivzed to keep America in a cycle of sickness so that the insurance companies can continue to get paid the big bucks. 
 

This is really very unfortunate but the US approaches healthcare in a reactive manner vs proactive and the latter just doesn't make people at the top in many different industries the money that being proactive does. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Doublehalf

[Scouts Honor]

personal responsibility is dying.

everyone wants things done for them.

why would i have to work out. I can just watch TV.

i have couple snickers to eat.

[Doublehalf]

5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

personal responsibility is dying.

everyone wants things done for them.

why would i have to work out. I can just watch TV.

i have couple snickers to eat.

Maybe- but whenever I travel I don't see near the amount of morbidly obese people from other countries that I do here... Does that mean personal responsibility is only something that's dying in the US? I think this is a much deeper and complex issue than just having someone choosing to take a run or not.

Edited 8 hours ago by Doublehalf

[Scouts Honor]

what do you think about RFK jr's efforts? 

 

[Scouts Honor]

i dont disagree about the food.

I went to a czech festival this weekend, and all my aunts and uncles were complaining about the kolaches not being sweet.

I had to remind them, that in the old days, they didn't use as much sugar. the sweetness came from the fruit. 

and they all said, yeah you are right.

when i was a kid, we had ice cream or something like that every couple months. 

now some people have it daily. pop. multiple. coffee... with all the fixens... multiple daily.

choices.

but i agree it's not all about choices.

[Doublehalf]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

what do you think about RFK jr's efforts? 

 

I think a broken clock is right twice a day... I agree with getting harmful chemicals and preservatives out of foods but I think other things he says sound like they are coming from someone in an insane asylum. I'm willing to leave room for nuance on things I think have been scientifically proven as bad for your health being fixed. RFK Jr seems to be generally unpopular by a lot of people on both sides of the isle but that doesn't mean that one out of every 20 things he says isn't a good idea. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Hmmm...

You chose diet coke, which is a bad choice in terms of health. Regular pepsi is a much better choice at lunch.

The other woman chose (2) pepsi's and a cookie. Hard to say - maybe she was providing for her family. Maybe in addition to what they were able to obtain for lunch that day. Just maybe. Neither of us know.

Aside of speculation, you choosing diet coke is a factual problem. Healthwise, that is terrible for you. (Not to mention a C store burger.)

No-cost health care solves a bunch of problems for countries around the world. Maybe look into it if you can spare the time.

There is no accepted conclusive scientific evidence to back this claim.

[Doublehalf]

14 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

personal responsibility is dying.

everyone wants things done for them.

why would i have to work out. I can just watch TV.

i have couple snickers to eat.

Also- the highest obesity rates among adults in the top 5 states are:

1. WV

2. Mississippi 

3. Akransas

4. Louisiana 

5. Alabama 

 

• Every state in the U.S. has an adult obesity rate above 20%.
• The highest rates are concentrated in the South and Midwest regions.
• Several states (West Virginia, Mississippi, Arkansas) are above 40% for adult obesity.
• The lowest‐rate states (for contrast) include places like Colorado and Hawaii, where rates are much lower (~25% or so).

 

The highest obesity rates seem to align with the reddest states for the most part... Does that mean red states have less personal responsibility than blue states? I would disagree and again say this is more an issue that is designed to keep people sick with a lack of healthy options and poor policy.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Also- the highest obesity rates among adults in the top 5 states are:

1. WV

2. Mississippi 

3. Akransas

4. Louisiana 

5. Alabama 

Delicious local foods!

But also, once you are using BMI to determine obesity, we have a real problem...

[Doublehalf]

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Delicious local foods!

But also, once you are using BMI to determine obesity, we have a real problem...

No doubt local foods are good there as they are all over our wonderfully diverse country! 
 

That being said; BMI is the fastest and most effective way to determine obesity in a large population data set. Does it mis calculate those with more muscle mass or different levels of visceral fat? No doubt... but from a general metric to calculate it does a decent job. I don't think any of us would dispute the data on obesity rates generally being within a couple points to capture the small portion of outliers out there straddling the line of being just Obese vs morbidly obese...

Edited 7 hours ago by Doublehalf

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Doublehalf said:

No doubt local foods are good there as they are all over our wonderfully diverse country! 
 

That being said; BMI is the fastest and most effective way to determine obesity. Does it mis calculate those with more muscle mass or different levels of visceral fat? No doubt... but from a general metric to calculate it does a decent job. I don't think any of us would dispute the data on obesity rates generally being within a couple points to capture the small portion of outliers there straddling the line of being just Obese vs morbidly obese...

Then find a different, more accurate metric.

[Viratas]

7 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

No doubt local foods are good there as they are all over our wonderfully diverse country! 
 

That being said; BMI is the fastest and most effective way to determine obesity in a large population data set. Does it mis calculate those with more muscle mass or different levels of visceral fat? No doubt... but from a general metric to calculate it does a decent job. I don't think any of us would dispute the data on obesity rates generally being within a couple points to capture the small portion of outliers out there straddling the line of being just Obese vs morbidly obese...

I am IMO Fat as F&^% currently, it's the category I prefer.. More motivating... My fault for sure... Considering I have a heart condition and was trained my whole life, you would think I could do better. I attest to local food, southern food, yummy, very unhealthy

[Doublehalf]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Then find a different, more accurate metric.

I think arguing about metrics to measure obesity rates being the highest in the US of all developed nations and splitting hairs between whether we are at a 40% vs 43% obesity rate is less important than finding a solution to why that's the case... 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Doublehalf said:

I think arguing about metrics to measure obesity rates being the highest in the US of all developed nations and splitting hairs between whether we are at a 40% vs 43% obesity rate is less important than finding a solution to why that's the case... 

I believe the UK may have surpassed the US...

[Caveira]

Just now, Doublehalf said:

I think arguing about metrics to measure obesity rates being the highest in the US of all developed nations and splitting hairs between whether we are at a 40% vs 43% obesity rate is less important than finding a solution to why that's the case... 

we know why it is the case.   Shoveling too much food in the face and not exercising enough.   We know how to fix it.   Shovel less food in the face and exercise more.  
 

will people do either or both ?   Some yes.  Some no.  Some maybe so 

[Bigbrog]

11 minutes ago, Viratas said:

I am IMO Fat as F&^% currently, it's the category I prefer.. More motivating... My fault for sure... Considering I have a heart condition and was trained my whole life, you would think I could do better. I attest to local food, southern food, yummy, very unhealthy

Ditto

[Doublehalf]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I believe the UK may have surpassed the US...

Great so we are 1b to the UKs 1a - still not something to be proud of... 

If there is something that should be easy to agree on it's that being that high up on the list at all is not good and we have to do better as a populace from a policy standpoint, education on health and corporatations being more altruistic in the products they produce but that is a far cry away.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, Doublehalf said:

Great so we are 1b to the UKs 1a - still not something to be proud of... 

If there is something that should be easy to agree on it's that being that high up on the list at all is not good and we have to do better as a populace from a policy standpoint, education on health and corporatations being more altruistic in the products they produce but that is a far cry away.

Actually, I may have been wrong, though I heard it from a reputable source.  However the UK is on the rise.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Doublehalf said:

Great so we are 1b to the UKs 1a - still not something to be proud of... 

If there is something that should be easy to agree on it's that being that high up on the list at all is not good and we have to do better as a populace from a policy standpoint, education on health and corporatations being more altruistic in the products they produce but that is a far cry away.

What’s the real solution.  Let the us gov mandate / run things ?   What could go wrong with that?    They’re never wrong about stuff they force into our bodies right?