$10,000 bounty for killing Ice agents. I'm really glad the temperature has been turned down.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

She did not. And the DHS has already been caught lying about this specific case, so please tell me why I should believe her assertion without evidence about bounties?

Sad thing is none of you have the integrity to come out and admit you're wrong when the people you support are caught lying. Don't be surprised if DHS suddenly stops talking about this incident once *actual* video is available and it reveals that their poorly trained wannabe brown shirts screwed up.

This is the guy who believes Hamas propaganda?

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

How often does ICE need to lie before you guys stop taking their word as gospel?

In the killing of the immigrant last week, they claimed he dragged agents with his car and seriously injured the agent putting him in critical condition. The ICE agents weren't wearing bodycams, but the cops who showed up after were and the ICE agent was caught on camera repeatedly saying he wasn't seriously injured, contradicting DHS's official statement.

Because they aren't wearing bodycams, we don't really know what led to the shooting. It appears he tried to flee the scene in his car, but it's not clear that deadly force was necessary. All the officer had to do was let go of the car. Fleeing does not give you the right to execute someone. 

 

Don’t try to ram your car into ice agents.   

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

29 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Don’t try to ram your car into ice agents.   

Not to mention that the car has already been used as a "deadly weapon." "Just let go of the car" is likely irrelevant as soon as he started pulling the officer.  The suspect has already shown the willingness and ability to injure an officer.  Who knows what he might try to do next?

The courts have backed officers in similar situations.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[uncle bernard]

41 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Don’t try to ram your car into ice agents.   

He didn't. It's on video. He was trying to drive away from them.

[uncle bernard]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Not to mention that the car has already been used as a "deadly weapon." "Just let go of the car" is likely irrelevant as soon as he started pulling the officer.  The suspect has already shown the willingness and ability to injure an officer.  Who knows what he might try to do next?

The courts have backed officers in similar situations.

 

I know exactly what he's going to try to do next. Exactly what he was already trying to do. Drive away. It's on video.

You're also conflating separate incidents. This car was not used as a deadly weapon. It was a simple traffic stop. He tries to drive away from the officers after he's been stopped for a while. One officer foolishly tries to reach into the car and hang on as he tries to leave, then panics and shoots him. It's exactly what the idiot cop did to Scottie Scheffler minus the shooting.

This guy had no violent past. He had just dropped his two kids off at school and daycare. He just wanted to keep living his life and an idiot ICE agent decided to try to play Rambo, put himself and every bystander in danger, and then murdered a father.

In the other case, if ICE can produce evidence that the woman was ramming their car and putting lives at risk, then that's a justified defensive shooting. So far, they've yet to produce such evidence and have been caught lying in their statement, so I'm skeptical until I see for myself.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

17 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I know exactly what he's going to try to do next. Exactly what he was already trying to do. Drive away. It's on video.

You're also conflating separate incidents. This car was not used as a deadly weapon. It was a simple traffic stop. He tries to drive away from the officers after he's been stopped for a while. One officer foolishly tries to reach into the car and hang on as he tries to leave, then panics and shoots him. It's exactly what the idiot cop did to Scottie Scheffler minus the shooting.

This guy had no violent past. He had just dropped his two kids off at school and daycare. He just wanted to keep living his life and an idiot ICE agent decided to try to play Rambo, put himself and every bystander in danger, and then murdered a father.

In the other case, if ICE can produce evidence that the woman was ramming their car and putting lives at risk, then that's a justified defensive shooting. So far, they've yet to produce such evidence and have been caught lying in their statement, so I'm skeptical until I see for myself.

No I'm not conflating anything.  Don't pull away until the officer is done with business.  If the officer is holding onto something inside of the vehicle, it can be viewed as a deadly weapon.  And I'd prefer people not be shot, but if the officers think there is an ongoing threat to people's life and limb, then it can be justified.

I just realized it is a big day for you guys tomorrow.  How are you planning to celebrate?

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

 

 

 

The fat boy sings.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

The fat boy sings.  

Should prob look at a GLP-1 if he plans a presidential run.

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

I know exactly what he's going to try to do next. Exactly what he was already trying to do. Drive away. It's on video.

You're also conflating separate incidents. This car was not used as a deadly weapon. It was a simple traffic stop. He tries to drive away from the officers after he's been stopped for a while. One officer foolishly tries to reach into the car and hang on as he tries to leave, then panics and shoots him. It's exactly what the idiot cop did to Scottie Scheffler minus the shooting.

This guy had no violent past. He had just dropped his two kids off at school and daycare. He just wanted to keep living his life and an idiot ICE agent decided to try to play Rambo, put himself and every bystander in danger, and then murdered a father.

In the other case, if ICE can produce evidence that the woman was ramming their car and putting lives at risk, then that's a justified defensive shooting. So far, they've yet to produce such evidence and have been caught lying in their statement, so I'm skeptical until I see for myself.

Seriously...what is wrong with you?  You are blaming ICE for the actions of the guy who didn't listen to lawful commands and tried to flee a lawful stop and almost killed the ICE agent??  SMH...some of you have serious issues...and I sure hope to God you never need law enforcements help

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Bigbrog said:

Seriously...what is wrong with you?  You are blaming ICE for the actions of the guy who didn't listen to lawful commands and tried to flee a lawful stop and almost killed the ICE agent??  SMH...some of you have serious issues...and I sure hope to God you never need law enforcements help

THIS. DID. NOT. HAPPEN.

That's the whole point, brother. DHS lied in their report to make the shooting look more justified. The officer was not in danger, nor was he seriously injured - as HE states on camera multiple times!

What is wrong with YOU? How can you read a falsified report - directly contradicted on camera by the officer involved - and not have ANY questions about whether this was a justified shooting?

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

That's the whole point, brother. DHS lied in their report to make the shooting look more justified. The officer was not in danger, nor was he seriously injured - as HE states on camera multiple times!

What is wrong with YOU? How can you read a falsified report - directly contradicted on camera by the officer involved - and not have ANY questions about whether this was a justified shooting?

We simply don’t believe you boss.  You’re anti police.   Pro antifa and an agitator. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

THIS. DID. NOT. HAPPEN.

That's the whole point, brother. DHS lied in their report to make the shooting look more justified. The officer was not in danger, nor was he seriously injured - as HE states on camera multiple times!

What is wrong with YOU? How can you read a falsified report - directly contradicted on camera by the officer involved - and not have ANY questions about whether this was a justified shooting?

Pulling away while an officer is holding onto the car can be, and often is,  construed as attempted murder.

[uncle bernard]

9 minutes ago, Caveira said:

We simply don’t believe you boss.  You’re anti police.   Pro antifa and an agitator. 

You don't have to believe me. Look for yourself.

You can read their report. They say the officer was seriously injured.

Then you can watch the video of the officer saying he wasn't injured. 

The only reason you wouldn't look for yourself is because you're scared your precious worldview will be challenged.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You don't have to believe me. Look for yourself.

You can read their report. They say the officer was seriously injured.

Then you can watch the video of the officer saying he wasn't injured. 

The only reason you wouldn't look for yourself is because you're scared your precious worldview will be challenged.

It doesn’t matter the severity of his injury 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Pulling away while an officer is holding onto the car can be, and often is,  construed as attempted murder.

Then why did they feel the need to lie on the report?

Also, it can be "construed" as attempted murder is different from it is attempted murder. It's only attempted murder if the intent is to injure the officer. If it's to escape, as was the case here, it's not attempted murder. It's still a felony.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Caveira said:

It doesn’t matter the severity of his injury 

Then why did they feel the need to lie?

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

Then why did they feel the need to lie?

He has lacerations on his knee and hand.  Subjective words like serious or whatever are just that.  Subjective words.   Again.  Injury and justification to use force have nothing to do with one another.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Then why did they feel the need to lie on the report?

Also, it can be "construed" as attempted murder is different from it is attempted murder. It's only attempted murder if the intent is to injure the officer. If it's to escape, as was the case here, it's not attempted murder. It's still a felony.

not true, and not true at the federal level.  Most states (not mine) refer to what you are describing as "attempted manslaughter."  It is covered by the same federal law as attempted murder.

 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Caveira said:

He has lacerations on his knee and hand.  Subjective words like serious or whatever are just that.  Subjective words.   Again.  Injury and justification to use force have nothing to do with one another.

Oh no, not lacerations caused by his own actions! Yep you're right. Good thing he blew the young father's brains out instead of just letting go. That made everybody safer.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

not true, and not true at the federal level.  Most states (not mine) refer to what you are describing as "attempted manslaughter."  It is covered by the same federal law as attempted murder.

 

So you admit you were wrong? Because manslaughter and murder are not the same thing.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

So you admit you were wrong? Because manslaughter and murder are not the same thing.

I admit nothing.  Don’t drive your car at officers boss. 
 

protest peacefully.  Stop rioting.  Shit just go home.  Nothing to see here.   

Edited 4 hours ago by Caveira

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

So you admit you were wrong? Because manslaughter and murder are not the same thing.

They are in my state.  You also did not know that either, btw.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Caveira said:

I admit nothing.  Don’t drive your car at officers boss. 

Lol, wasn't even responding to you grandpa.

Maybe the reason why you're not concerned about this is because your kids took the keys away from you years ago and now you're stuck at home all day melting your brain on the internet.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

They are in my state.  You also did not know that either, btw.

They, are quite literally, not the same in any state. That's why they're called different things.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

Lol, wasn't even responding to you grandpa.

Maybe the reason why you're not concerned about this is because your kids took the keys away from you years ago and now you're stuck at home all day melting your brain on the internet.

Stay on topic boss.   I don’t recall insulting you. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Caveira