U23 World Champoinships...

[Tdub157]

Freestyle Brackets 

U23 World Championships brackets

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Thursday, Oct. 23

11 a.m. ET– Women’s wrestling semifinals for 55, 57, 65 and 68kg

Noon  ET– Greco-Roman finals for 60 and 82kg plus Women’s wrestling finals for 50, 72 and 76kg

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[wrestlingfan22]

2 hours ago, Tdub157 said:

Freestyle Brackets 

U23 World Championships brackets

Yousefi Haines rd 1 LMAO

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9 minutes ago, wrestlingfan22 said:

Yousefi Haines rd 1 LMAO

Ah... the trick of the draw! 

Truzz has them going Haines gold, Yousefi silver... I guess the loser here will be going for bronze instead.

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[ScottishSteel]

2 minutes ago, D3 for LU said:

Ah... the trick of the draw! 

Truzz has them going Haines gold, Yousefi silver... I guess the loser here will be going for bronze instead.

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I for one will never trust @Truzzcat predictions ever again now

 

ever

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Meanwhile... Black is now in a 5-0 hole after the failed challenge on the 4 point throw.

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... and it remains 5-0 at the break.

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Black passive ... gets a point scored against him and is put down in par terre.

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AND a gut completes the TF now @ 8-0... no bronze for Max.

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[juniorvarsity]

U23 Trials Winner	U23 World Team Representative
57  - Mason Ziegler	Luke Lilledahl
61  - Nic Bouzakis	Jax Forrest
65  - Vince Cornella	Marcus Blaze
70  - Josh Edmond	PJ Duke
74  - Michael Caliendo	Mitchell Messenbrink
79  - Beau Mantanona	Levi Haines
86  - Rocco Welsh	Rocco Welsh
92  - Gavin Nelson	Josh Barr
97  - Garavous Kouekabakilaho	Garavous Kouekabakilaho
125  - Daniel Herrera	Daniel Herrera

[Truzzcat]

22 minutes ago, ScottishSteel said:

I for one will never trust @Truzzcat predictions ever again now

 

ever

Doing predictions prior to brackets being released allows me an easy cop out if they are wildly inaccurate!

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28 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

U23 Trials Winner	U23 World Team Representative
57  - Mason Ziegler	Luke Lilledahl
61  - Nic Bouzakis	Jax Forrest
65  - Vince Cornella	Marcus Blaze
70  - Josh Edmond	PJ Duke
74  - Michael Caliendo	Mitchell Messenbrink
79  - Beau Mantanona	Levi Haines
86  - Rocco Welsh	Rocco Welsh
92  - Gavin Nelson	Josh Barr
97  - Garavous Kouekabakilaho	Garavous Kouekabakilaho
125  - Daniel Herrera	Daniel Herrera

Definitely... a nit BLUE tinge to this team. 

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Edited October 23, 2025 by D3 for LU

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Okay... start of Jimenez's gold medal match... can she break thru to get the gold?

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Edited October 23, 2025 by D3 for LU

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Audrey got the first TD... Liang gets a TD back.

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Liang puts Audrey on her back after another TD... plus penalty point(s)?

??? 

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Audrey Jimenez gets silver... again.

She was on the short end of a 6-2 dec.

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Robinson is now up for her gold medal match...

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2nd period... she is up 14-5 w/ 1:27 left.

Challenge... now 10-7

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Edited October 23, 2025 by D3 for LU

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Robinson Lost... 10-11.

Silver medal #2.

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Chest pinch is a fools errand... that did her in, in that match.

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Finally struck gold... Welker walks off w/ a 10-0 TF and the gold medal.

Huzzah!

By the way... the US GR team walked away w/ a 4 -way tie for 9th.

Two bronze medals + 5th place.

The women are presently in first place w/ 2 silvers and a gold.

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Edited October 23, 2025 by D3 for LU

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[BAC]

On 10/21/2025 at 2:55 PM, de4856 said:

Congrats to Payton, fantastic job. Bronze Medalist

Payton totally KO'd his kid when he got his last takedown.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/14651023-87-kg-final-3-5-lachin-valiyev-azerbaijan-vs-payton-jon-jacobson-united-states

[BAC]

2 hours ago, D3 for LU said:

Chest pinch is a fools errand... that did her in, in that match.

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There's no aspect of the freestyle rules that needs to be cleaned up more than that. It's such a pet peeve of mine.

I'm talking about a wrestler shoots in, whether single or double, the defending wrestler's about to get scored on, and they try to convert it to their own move via some sort of leg-elevator/roll-through to expose the attacking wrestler's back, before giving up the TD.

Sometimes it's 4 for the leg attacking wrestler, sometimes 4 and 2 since they got exposed.  Other times, the wrestler doing the elevator gets the full 4 points, or they get 4 while the leg attacking wrestler gets 1 or 2. Occasionally you get 2 and 2.

The problem is that, the way the rule currently works, the refs are trying to give the wrestler who initiated the action.  But the initiating wrestler is always the one who penetrated the legs.  The wrestler doing the elevator/roll-through is almost always doing it as a desperation move -- a scenario where they'd belly out if it were folk, but in free they try to steal the points.  And it just isn't that hard for the defending wrestler to make it seem like they initiated by basically throwing themselves to their back. 

Part of the problem is the refs call it INSANELY inconsistently, and it's honestly not much better after reply.  EVERY time we have this scoring sequence, the wrestler with fewer points challenges. More often than not they get their brick back.

It also invites corruption.  The rule is so malleable that we've seen all sorts of scandals involving this call, including at the Olympic level.  If a ref got paid off to fix a match, this is how they'd do it.  

But those issues aside, the real problem is that far too often, the points go to the wrestler defending the leg attack, who hasn't really earned them.  Honestly, all the defending wrestler has to do is sell it, like a soccer player taking a dive, by making this big production of how you're grabbing your leg-attacking opponent and trying to flip them on their back -- even though everyone knows you were about to get put on your back yourself, unless you bellied out.

I'd change this rule to give the points to the leg-attacking wrestler basically every single time, giving up no points if you expose your own back while finishing your leg TD.  I don't care if you changed their trajectory or whatever.  The only exception I'd carve out is if the leg attacking wrestler wasn't already in the process of finishing the takedown.

[SocraTease]

12 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

U23 Trials Winner	U23 World Team Representative
57  - Mason Ziegler	Luke Lilledahl
61  - Nic Bouzakis	Jax Forrest
65  - Vince Cornella	Marcus Blaze
70  - Josh Edmond	PJ Duke
74  - Michael Caliendo	Mitchell Messenbrink
79  - Beau Mantanona	Levi Haines
86  - Rocco Welsh	Rocco Welsh
92  - Gavin Nelson	Josh Barr
97  - Garavous Kouekabakilaho	Garavous Kouekabakilaho
125  - Daniel Herrera	Daniel Herrera

Interesting, but arguably a much stronger team.  How dare they replace the other three wrestlers with clones.  That is not an improvement even if their clones are rested