Is this what you voted for?

[WrestlingRasta]

48 minutes ago, Caveira said:

What is your suggestion to fix the issue where millions of illegals walked over the boarder in that 4 year span?

I do not pretend to have all of the right answers to that question, my expertise is athletics.  Fact is, no one on this board has all the right answers to that question, because no one on this board has all of the necessary, and accurate information.

But that's why we have a system of federal government with elected officials, officials who are responsible for holding up the letter, and the spirit, of our United States Constitution.   The responsibility of us is to elect them and then hold them accountable to that document.  All of that document, not just the parts we find ourselves in particular favor of.  A big reason we find ourselves in the current political climate, where politicians give a higher priority to defaming and defeating the other side than they do upholding the letter and the spirit of that document, is that we the people, or at least a large enough number of, are not following through on our responsibility to hold them accountable.   But instead follow along with the 'us vs them' priority of politics.  That played a part in why millions of illegals found easy access in, as well as why we are seeing what we are seeing today.  Unfortunately that 'large enough number of' I spoke to only see it one way, and as such the us vs them priority is gaining ground while the true spirit of what the greatest country in the world really stands for is losing ground. 

Edited 7 hours ago by WrestlingRasta

[Caveira]

32 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

The responsibility of us is to elect them and then hold them accountable to that document.

Even sanctuary cities?  Do they have to follow all the laws or just the ones they feel cool with?

[WrestlingRasta]

39 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Even sanctuary cities?  Do they have to follow all the laws or just the ones they feel cool with?

I'm not sure where your question relates to the one line of my comment you quoted, or specifically who the 'they' in your question is referring to.  Maybe if you take in the whole of my post, you will find that it's been answered.  If not, please clarify.  

[Bigbrog]

3 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Not to be argumentative, but for the sake of accurate information….Im sorry but this is just simply not accurate.  
 

As I’ve said on here many times I am 100% in favor of immigration control, while also keeping the doors open to those looking to ‘live the dream” in the greatest country in the world. That’s how the greatest country in the world was built.  I am in favor of immigration the right way, but that also involves our government doing things the right way, and staying true to who we are and what we were built on.  
 

Awhile back I talked on here about being in favor of these crackdowns but have concerns about a slippery slope.   It wasn’t received well by some.   Since that time our military has went into more cities, and a couple days ago our president and sec of defense talked to the top leaders of the military, and spoke to them about preparing for our city streets becoming proving grounds for war.  It’s seems we have been experiencing that very slippery slope I spoke to, and that’s not who we are.  I would like to see immigration be held under control in a much less extreme fashion.  

What is not accurate?  And I sure hope you are not playing semantics versus taking what I said into the context of the illegal alien crackdowns?  If I am wrong, I am wrong as you should then be able to provide where this is happening on a regular basis...or even frequently.

[mspart]

If we have a immigration issue with illegals in the country, the cure is to move them outside the country.   I don't think it should be done with blind folders.   But the Biden years we had a huge influx of illegals entering the country from the south and they came from all over the world.   I'd say a minority of those folks are the farm workers that some here want to protect.   The Chicago arrest of tren de aragua folks is a case in point.  

mspart

[WrestlingRasta]

44 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

What is not accurate?  And I sure hope you are not playing semantics versus taking what I said into the context of the illegal alien crackdowns?  If I am wrong, I am wrong as you should then be able to provide where this is happening on a regular basis...or even frequently.

You made a statement, in its own separate paragraph, saying no us citizen is being deported or arrested.  That is what is not accurate, and I simply stated as such, before continuing on with my thoughts on immigration control as we have seen over the last 5 years.  I don’t see where “playing semantics” comes in. 
 

If you meant something other than what you wrote, then possibly what you meant would be accurate, I don’t know, I can only read what you actually write.  Which, in this case, is inaccurate 

[Tripnsweep]

22 minutes ago, mspart said:

If we have a immigration issue with illegals in the country, the cure is to move them outside the country.   I don't think it should be done with blind folders.   But the Biden years we had a huge influx of illegals entering the country from the south and they came from all over the world.   I'd say a minority of those folks are the farm workers that some here want to protect.   The Chicago arrest of tren de aragua folks is a case in point.  

mspart

I think you're wrong. If people wanted to immigrate somewhere to commit crimes why would they come here and do it? There's other places that have more lenient or barely functional justice systems. Most see economic opportunities here or that they won't be killed for existing, so that's why coming here and facing a chance of being deported isn't the worst thing. Yes you take the bad with the good, but the vast majority just want to make money and not die. The minority of them are the type who bring their problems with them here. 

[Tripnsweep]

The brutality of this attack is shocking (but not surprising). Destroying homes, lives, a building, the rule of law, the rights of both citizens and non-citizens. "Watson said she saw agents dragging residents, including kids, out of the building without any clothes on and into U-Haul vans. Kids were separated from their mothers, she said." Cindy Hernandez reports: 

 

Dan Jones was jolted awake around 1 a.m. Tuesday to the sound of federal agents trying to break through his apartment door. They couldn’t get past his double lock, so he went back to bed.

 

But when he woke up hours later for work, he walked out and found broken doors littering the hallway — and his neighbors missing.

 

Jones, 27, is among the residents left at 7500 S. South Shore Drive who are trying to piece together what remains after an early morning, high-powered federal immigration raid led to the arrests of dozens of their neighbors at their South Shore apartment building.

 

Armed federal agents in military fatigues busted down their doors overnight, pulling men, women and children from their apartments, some of them naked, residents and witnesses said. Agents approached or entered nearly every apartment in the five-story building, and U.S. citizens were among those detained for hours.

 

When he got home from work, Jones said he entered his unit to find all of his electronics and furniture missing, and all of his clothes and shoes thrown on the floor. Jones said he had no idea who took his belongings and hadn’t received answers from Chicago police.

 

“I’m pissed off,” Jones said. “I feel defeated because the authorities aren’t doing anything.”

 

On Wednesday, toys, shoes and food were still in piles in the building’s hallways. Property managers were seen throwing mattresses and broken doors into dumpsters.

 

The Department of Homeland Security said federal agents with Border Patrol, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives arrested 37 people in the raid. DHS said some of those arrested “are believed to be involved in drug trafficking and distribution, weapons crimes and immigration violators.”

 

The feds also claimed the South Shore neighborhood was “a location known to be frequented by Tren de Aragua members and their associates,” but DHS gave no evidence to support the assertion, and authorities did not confirm that any of the people arrested were members of the Venezuelan gang.

 

Alleged Tren de Aragua members have been charged and detained in the city as recently as August. But the Chicago Sun-Times has found little evidence tying them to violence in Chicago.

 

Rodrick Johnson, 67, is one of many residents who were detained by federal agents during the South Shore raid. A U.S. citizen, he said agents broke through his door and dragged him out in zip ties.

 

Johnson said he was left tied up outside the building for nearly three hours before agents finally let him go.

 

“I asked [agents] why they were holding me if I was an American citizen, and they said I had to wait until they looked me up,” Johnson said. “I asked if they had a warrant, and I asked for a lawyer. They never brought one.”

 

Video taken near 75th Street and South Shore Drive showed federal agents in large vehicles gathered on the street near the building. Some wore U.S. Border Patrol uniforms. Others had FBI logos.

 

A spokesperson for Chicago’s FBI field office confirmed the bureau was present to support a “targeted immigration enforcement operation” carried out by Border Patrol.

 

The raid is one of the largest operations executed since President Donald Trump’s administration announced the launch of “Operation Midway Blitz” on Sept. 8, bringing a flood of federal immigration officers to the Chicago area to conduct raids and arrests.

 

A similar raid was carried out in suburban Elgin, when agents led by U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem rode in a military vehicle and blew down the front door of a home where they detained six people, including two U.S. citizens.

 

In the South Shore raid, neighbors said federal agents used flashbang grenades to burst through the building and several drones and helicopters were deployed.

 

Ebony Sweets Watson, who lives across the street, said it “looked like hundreds” of agents were outside her front door.

 

Watson said she saw agents dragging residents, including kids, out of the building without any clothes on and into U-Haul vans. Kids were separated from their mothers, she said.

 

“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Watson. “Even if you’re not a mother, seeing kids coming out buck naked and taken from their mothers, it was horrible.”

 

Watson said she went into the building to help one of the residents and was shocked by what she saw.

 

“Stuff was everywhere,” said Watson. “You could see people’s birth certificates, and papers thrown all over. Water was leaking into the hallway. It was wicked crazy.”

 

Jones, who lives on the fourth floor, said most of his neighbors were Venezuelan and often took turns cleaning the hallway because the property owners did little to maintain it.

 

“They were cool people,” Jones said as he looked into his next door neighbor’s unit. “They didn’t speak a lick of English, but we used translator apps to talk to each other.”

 

Jones wondered what would happen to his neighbor’s young children.

 

Jones and Johnson said they believed the landlord would kick out the remaining residents from the building, which public records show had previously received code violations. Owners of the property could not be reached for comment.

 

Brandon Lee, a spokesman for the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, said the group was working to identify those taken in the raid.

 

“It was a violent show of force in the middle of the night,” Lee said. “Taking families out of an apartment building in a residential neighborhood like that is harmful, is traumatic, and that is not something that people can easily recover from, whether they themselves were taken or whether they witnessed it.” https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-immigration-raid-on-chicago-apartment-building-leaves-residents-reeling-i-feel-defeated?fbclid=IwY2xjawNLflJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFhZExtMmM4MUtBZ1dodVpNAR6oAqhWaG4MxJ14dccxgTB5dc7fPtAsEwa_ZhOZ2QUQ5apg2qRpQxz4yxjEtA_aem_giZ427FGB7QGZr4fgiu-zA

[jross]

100% of illegal aliens enter the country unlawfully and 75% commit felony fraud when they provide stolen or fake information to work.  Understanding why they commit crime does not excuse the crime.

[mspart]

50 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I think you're wrong. If people wanted to immigrate somewhere to commit crimes why would they come here and do it? There's other places that have more lenient or barely functional justice systems. Most see economic opportunities here or that they won't be killed for existing, so that's why coming here and facing a chance of being deported isn't the worst thing. Yes you take the bad with the good, but the vast majority just want to make money and not die. The minority of them are the type who bring their problems with them here. 

It is a fact that illegals commit crimes.   Not all illegals just to be clear.   We have many examples of these people being arrested and deported in the last few months.   This is not something that can be argued to the contrary, it is fact.   If those people had not been in the country committing those crimes, the crime statistics would necessarily have to be reduced.   We have enough of our own home grown crime to deal with, we don't need to import it.   If none of the illegals that have entered the country came in, our crime would be down regardless of the percentage of them that are doing crimes.    

mspart

[JimmySpeaks]

No unlawfuls = Less Crime.   It’s just a fact is all. 

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, mspart said:

It is a fact that illegals commit crimes.   Not all illegals just to be clear.   We have many examples of these people being arrested and deported in the last few months.   This is not something that can be argued to the contrary, it is fact.   If those people had not been in the country committing those crimes, the crime statistics would necessarily have to be reduced.   We have enough of our own home grown crime to deal with, we don't need to import it.   If none of the illegals that have entered the country came in, our crime would be down regardless of the percentage of them that are doing crimes.    

mspart

Just say you hate brown people. It'd save you a lot of the mental gymnastics you do to lick the boots of a guy who wouldn't piss on you if you caught fire.