James Comey Indicted

[Wrestleknownothing]

16 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

Which insurance lawyer will they replace her with?

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Kind of makes you wonder why the indictment was so bad if it was "ready to go" . I kid. Of course you don't wonder. That would require critical thinking. Reposting a tweet where someone tells you what to think is so much easier. 

What do you believe was ‘bad’ about the indictment other than its soul of wit brevity?  Why disparage twitter?  It’s not a generator, it’s just a place.  The tweet from Katherine Herridge includes links to the full story as well as the documents that support the reporting.  John Solomon and Just the News does the same thing.  All you have to do is click on it and read it yourself.  There’s no “telling you what to think,” just old fashioned journalism, with evidence.  

[JimmySpeaks]

49 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

What do you believe was ‘bad’ about the indictment other than its soul of wit brevity?  Why disparage twitter?  It’s not a generator, it’s just a place.  The tweet from Katherine Herridge includes links to the full story as well as the documents that support the reporting.  John Solomon and Just the News does the same thing.  All you have to do is click on it and read it yourself.  There’s no “telling you what to think,” just old fashioned journalism, with evidence.  

His anger And beliefs force him to hate musk 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

What do you believe was ‘bad’ about the indictment other than its soul of wit brevity?  Why disparage twitter?  It’s not a generator, it’s just a place.  The tweet from Katherine Herridge includes links to the full story as well as the documents that support the reporting.  John Solomon and Just the News does the same thing.  All you have to do is click on it and read it yourself.  There’s no “telling you what to think,” just old fashioned journalism, with evidence.  

The brevity is a big part of it.

As I mentioned previously, the indictment does not contain a single statement from Comey that the DOJ claims to be a lie. They say he lied, but they do not identify the lie. The lone partial quote in the first charge they secured is from Ted Cruz, not James Comey. That is highly unusual and points at a faulty indictment.

In addition, upon presenting their case to the grand jury they only secured two of the three charges they sought. This is also highly unusual and indicative of a faulty indictment. As an aside, it was the first charge, usually the one you are most confident about/think is most serious, that got rejected.

Thirdly, they barely received enough votes from the grand jury to secure the two charges they did secure (14 out of 23). This is also unusual and indicative of a faulty indictment.

Someone you quoted suggested a full indictment had been prepared by the DOJ prior to the insurance lawyer arriving, yet the insurance lawyer only filed this faulty indictment.

[Bigbrog]

44 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The brevity is a big part of it.

As I mentioned previously, the indictment does not contain a single statement from Comey that the DOJ claims to be a lie. They say he lied, but they do not identify the lie. The lone partial quote in the first charge they secured is from Ted Cruz, not James Comey. That is highly unusual and points at a faulty indictment.

In addition, upon presenting their case to the grand jury they only secured two of the three charges they sought. This is also highly unusual and indicative of a faulty indictment. As an aside, it was the first charge, usually the one you are most confident about/think is most serious, that got rejected.

Thirdly, they barely received enough votes from the grand jury to secure the two charges they did secure (14 out of 23). This is also unusual and indicative of a faulty indictment.

Someone you quoted suggested a full indictment had been prepared by the DOJ prior to the insurance lawyer arriving, yet the insurance lawyer only filed this faulty indictment.

So the grand jury got to see ALL the evidence and thought he should be indicted, but because you think you know what is in the indictment and you think know what was exactly presented to the grand jury you know better than them...got it... 

Why not wait and see how this all plays out before talking in certainties when you know deep down you don't know what you think you know about this case.

[Wrestleknownothing]

48 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So the grand jury got to see ALL the evidence and thought he should be indicted, but because you think you know what is in the indictment and you think know what was exactly presented to the grand jury you know better than them...got it... 

Why not wait and see how this all plays out before talking in certainties when you know deep down you don't know what you think you know about this case.

You should read the whole thread. The entire conversation began with Offthemat making the definitive statement "while it is clear he lied" and me responding that based on this indictment it is not clear at all. I have even said in prior posts that he may be guilty. 

That said, it is clear that this indictment is flimsy. The sole quote in it is not from the person it implies it is from. You may want to re-read that last sentence. It is one page double spaced with zero specifics. Only 14 of 23 jurors voted for only 2 of 3 charges. Eleven or fewer voted for the other charge. It is only signed by a single person. None of the investigators on the case signed the indictment. That is not normal. It was filed by someone who has never done this before. That is not normal.

To say this indictment is strong is to ignore the facts.

[Offthemat]

It’s doubtful that the Grand Jury indicted as much on how meticulously the indictment was worded as on the evidence they were presented.  Which is what the trial will be judged on.  
 

Of course, there are those afflicted:

 

Edited Monday at 09:54 PM by Offthemat

[mspart]

I found this interesting comment on Jonathan Turley's website that I have quoted from at various times.   It seems to put doubt on the Comey indictment.   i don't know how all of this works, but if it works like this guy seems to think it does, then not a good look for DOJ.   

Happy Jim Comey Statute of Limitations Expiration Day to all who celebrate!!

Lindsey Halligan hasn’t been lawfully appointed as US Attorney under 28 U.S.C. § 546.
This view is supported by a 1986 OLC opinion written by some guy named … {checks notes} … Samuel A. Alito.

It just so happens, the only lawyer who signed (or was willing to sign) the Comey indictment was … {checks notes again} … Halligan, and also the statute of limitations on the charges it purports to allege expired … {here’s another handy note!} … at midnight last night.

Which means that unless the courts accept some kind of wild unprecedented argument, Halligan, Pam Bondi, and Donald Trump won’t be able to fix this even if they had a single working brain among the three of them.

SAD!!!!!!

I have no idea if any of this is true (facts or reasoning) but this is certainly something that appears to be be a serious issue.   I have not heard this before.   There are many on that website that fancy themselves lawyers and just argue to argue.   But this is interesting as there is no argument given, just "facts and reasoning".  

mspart

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

There are many on that website that fancy themselves lawyers and just argue to argue. 

It sounds like this wise one is suggesting that U.S. Attorneys Offices are unable to conduct their business without a Senate approved, sworn in officer.  
 

On another note, Solomon is saying there may be an amendment to the indictment in order to fill in some vagueness that might include some yet to be released evidence that the FBI has provided. 

[JimmySpeaks]

I’m guessing there’s a whole bunch of stuff to come out yet.  

[mspart]

I'm guessing that is correct.  

mspart

[ionel]

On 9/29/2025 at 3:45 PM, Offthemat said:

It’s doubtful that the Grand Jury indicted as much on how meticulously the indictment was worded as on the evidence they were presented.  Which is what the trial will be judged on.  
 

Of course, there are those afflicted:

 

This is true, it's already started, I am dying!

That said i'm going out of state this weekend to see my dad on his birthday ... he turns 99.  Yes he started dying a long long time ago but it hasn't fully kicked in thank goodness.  

[mspart]

Congrats to your dad.   My dad made it to 88 and my mom to 92.   Hopefully your dad is in good health and active and enjoying life.

mspart

[Offthemat]

3 hours ago, ionel said:

This is true, it's already started, I am dying!

That said i'm going out of state this weekend to see my dad on his birthday ... he turns 99.  Yes he started dying a long long time ago but it hasn't fully kicked in thank goodness.  

He not busy being born is busy dying. 
 

Congratulations to your dad and relish every minute of your time with him.