Should federal workers be fired for criticizing charlie kirk?

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, Caveira said:

There is that word criticizing again.   Tisk tisk 

I thought you were going to cite examples of people who were fired and should not have been. 

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I thought you were going to cite examples of people who were fired and should not have been. 

Never said I was going to do that. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Never said I was going to do that. 

There are none.   Is that why?

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

There are none.   Is that why?

Don't know about that, but many people are calling for people to be fired for criticizing Charlie Kirk. Laura Loomer for example. 

[ionel]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

Don't know about that, but many people are calling for people to be fired for criticizing Charlie Kirk. Laura Loomer for example. 

Since "many" give us a reference/example.

Edited 3 hours ago by ionel

[wrestlingguy]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Don't know about that, but many people are calling for people to be fired for criticizing Charlie Kirk. Laura Loomer for example. 

I understand first amendment rights but Lara Loomer is constantly pushing the limits. I personally don't take anything she says seriously.

[red viking]

8 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

I understand first amendment rights but Lara Loomer is constantly pushing the limits. I personally don't take anything she says seriously.

Trump DOES take her seriously though. She appears to be one of his closest advisors. 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Trump DOES take her seriously though. She appears to be one of his closest advisors. 

proof

[jross]

Please provide the examples of people being fired, with full context of their criticism, that concerns you.

[red viking]

9 minutes ago, ionel said:

proof

That word is hilarious. Here's a quick AI answer. 

As of September 2025, far-right activist Laura Loomer is not a formal White House adviser but is widely considered one of President Donald Trump's most influential unofficial advisers. Her influence has been demonstrated through her involvement in the firing of administration staff and her direct access to the president. 

Influence on personnel decisions

National Security firings: In April 2025, Loomer met with Trump in the Oval Office and reportedly presented a list of National Security Council officials she accused of disloyalty. Trump subsequently fired several of the individuals she identified.

High-level replacements: Loomer has taken credit for identifying more than a dozen government officials who were later fired or pushed out. Her targets have included national security personnel and staff she deemed disloyal to the "Make America Great Again" (MAGA) movement.

"Independent agency" vetting: Loomer has referred to her work as operating an "independent agency" to vet people within the administration and identify disloyal individuals for removal. She uses her social media platform to publicly target officials if her private warnings to the president are not acted upon. 

Relationship dynamics

Direct access: Loomer has a direct line of communication to the president and has attended events with him, including traveling on his private plane.

Presidential acknowledgement: Trump has publicly praised Loomer, calling her a "patriot" and an "amazing" woman. He has also acknowledged that he listens to her recommendations.

Opposition from staff: Many Trump aides have expressed concern about Loomer's influence, and some reportedly worked to prevent Trump from giving her an official job during his 2024 campaign. White House staff have engaged in a balancing act of trying to manage her influence while keeping her at a distance.

Criticism from Republicans: Loomer's public commentary has drawn condemnation from other Republicans, such as when Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene called her remarks about Kamala Harris "appalling and extremely racist". 

Unofficial status

Despite her significant influence, Loomer has been denied an official position, which she claims is due to professional jealousy from other staff.

While Trump has offered her positions, they have reportedly been blocked by others within his administration.

Loomer has continued to operate as an external enforcer, using her platform to pressure the administration from the outside. 

[ionel]

14 minutes ago, red viking said:

That word is hilarious. Here's a quick AI answer. 

As of September 2025, far-right activist Laura Loomer is not a formal White House adviser but is widely considered one of President Donald Trump's most influential unofficial advisers. Her influence has been demonstrated through her involvement in the firing of administration staff and her direct access to the president. 

Influence on personnel decisions

National Security firings: In April 2025, Loomer met with Trump in the Oval Office and reportedly presented a list of National Security Council officials she accused of disloyalty. Trump subsequently fired several of the individuals she identified.

High-level replacements: Loomer has taken credit for identifying more than a dozen government officials who were later fired or pushed out. Her targets have included national security personnel and staff she deemed disloyal to the "Make America Great Again" (MAGA) movement.

"Independent agency" vetting: Loomer has referred to her work as operating an "independent agency" to vet people within the administration and identify disloyal individuals for removal. She uses her social media platform to publicly target officials if her private warnings to the president are not acted upon. 

Relationship dynamics

Direct access: Loomer has a direct line of communication to the president and has attended events with him, including traveling on his private plane.

Presidential acknowledgement: Trump has publicly praised Loomer, calling her a "patriot" and an "amazing" woman. He has also acknowledged that he listens to her recommendations.

Opposition from staff: Many Trump aides have expressed concern about Loomer's influence, and some reportedly worked to prevent Trump from giving her an official job during his 2024 campaign. White House staff have engaged in a balancing act of trying to manage her influence while keeping her at a distance.

Criticism from Republicans: Loomer's public commentary has drawn condemnation from other Republicans, such as when Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene called her remarks about Kamala Harris "appalling and extremely racist". 

Unofficial status

Despite her significant influence, Loomer has been denied an official position, which she claims is due to professional jealousy from other staff.

While Trump has offered her positions, they have reportedly been blocked by others within his administration.

Loomer has continued to operate as an external enforcer, using her platform to pressure the administration from the outside. 

Here's an AI answer:

RV tells 110% lies 110% of the time.  

[JimmySpeaks]

35 minutes ago, red viking said:

That word is hilarious. Here's a quick AI answer. 

As of September 2025, far-right activist Laura Loomer is not a formal White House adviser but is widely considered one of President Donald Trump's most influential unofficial advisers. Her influence has been demonstrated through her involvement in the firing of administration staff and her direct access to the president. 

Influence on personnel decisions

National Security firings: In April 2025, Loomer met with Trump in the Oval Office and reportedly presented a list of National Security Council officials she accused of disloyalty. Trump subsequently fired several of the individuals she identified.

High-level replacements: Loomer has taken credit for identifying more than a dozen government officials who were later fired or pushed out. Her targets have included national security personnel and staff she deemed disloyal to the "Make America Great Again" (MAGA) movement.

"Independent agency" vetting: Loomer has referred to her work as operating an "independent agency" to vet people within the administration and identify disloyal individuals for removal. She uses her social media platform to publicly target officials if her private warnings to the president are not acted upon. 

Relationship dynamics

Direct access: Loomer has a direct line of communication to the president and has attended events with him, including traveling on his private plane.

Presidential acknowledgement: Trump has publicly praised Loomer, calling her a "patriot" and an "amazing" woman. He has also acknowledged that he listens to her recommendations.

Opposition from staff: Many Trump aides have expressed concern about Loomer's influence, and some reportedly worked to prevent Trump from giving her an official job during his 2024 campaign. White House staff have engaged in a balancing act of trying to manage her influence while keeping her at a distance.

Criticism from Republicans: Loomer's public commentary has drawn condemnation from other Republicans, such as when Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene called her remarks about Kamala Harris "appalling and extremely racist". 

Unofficial status

Despite her significant influence, Loomer has been denied an official position, which she claims is due to professional jealousy from other staff.

While Trump has offered her positions, they have reportedly been blocked by others within his administration.

Loomer has continued to operate as an external enforcer, using her platform to pressure the administration from the outside. 

Widely considered. Bahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha. By the left 

[mspart]

I have just one opinion and that is on just a few departments in the federal government.   

Justice dept employees should not be saying who is a liar, racist, etc.   If they do, they are showing their partiality and should not be employed in the justice giving arm of the government.   

State Dept employees should not be saying who is a liar, racist, etc.    If they do, they betray first principles of the establishment of the country.   They should offer no opinion on anyone since their purview is international.   And criticizing international actors is not the province of employees.   

In my opinion, criticizing Charlie Kirk undermines their ability to do their job as they are viewed as biased one way or the other.   I would say the same thing regarding AOC, Maddow, or other leftists.   They should not comment at all on anyone.

I don't really have an opinion about other departments but consider these thoughts probably apply to them as well.   But I am definite on these. 

mspart