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Just throw a different answer out there. 2021-2022 Stillwater OK had Cael Hughes, Dee Lockett, Kael Voinovich, and Angelo Ferrari. I'm not sure what any of them were ranked, however. 

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18 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Just throw a different answer out there. 2021-2022 Stillwater OK had Cael Hughes, Dee Lockett, Kael Voinovich, and Angelo Ferrari. I'm not sure what any of them were ranked, however. 

And Beric Jordan? I believe he had a respectable class ranking.

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1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

Not sure on that. He may still have been in Ohio at that point. @H82Lose would probably know.

He was at graham until his junior year I believe

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3 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

He was at graham until his junior year I believe

 

3 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

He was at graham until his junior year I believe

2X state champ at St. Paris Graham, Got beat to Kisar from Ponca JR year in finals at Oklahoma and then wrestled for ex OU asst and stud Michael Lightner his SR year at Noble and walked through State. 

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As of today, Flo's rankings have McCort's 3 as the top 3 P4P wrestlers in the country.  

Time will tell if they achieve the same level of accomplishment as, for example, the Davidson trio, but if you're evaluating "best 3" from the standpoint of how good they are while in high school, I think you have to put the McCort trio as #1.  I'm not sure if another high school has ever had 3 #1 ranked guys at their weight at the same time (at least not based on fishbane's list), let alone the top 3 P4P.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if this McCort team (on the strength of these 3) placed in the top 20 as a team in NCAAs in March, if they were allowed to compete. 

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3 hours ago, BAC said:

As of today, Flo's rankings have McCort's 3 as the top 3 P4P wrestlers in the country.  

Time will tell if they achieve the same level of accomplishment as, for example, the Davidson trio, but if you're evaluating "best 3" from the standpoint of how good they are while in high school, I think you have to put the McCort trio as #1.  I'm not sure if another high school has ever had 3 #1 ranked guys at their weight at the same time (at least not based on fishbane's list), let alone the top 3 P4P.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if this McCort team (on the strength of these 3) placed in the top 20 as a team in NCAAs in March, if they were allowed to compete. 

I believe they have 4 kids on the roster that have won college opens and Miller and Herring are not in that 4. I think Miller would pretty comfortably win 1-2 matches at NCAA this year with a ceiling to maybe get on the podium with the right draw although I would probably predict r16. Jax AA's at minimum at 133/141 and I think Bo probably AA's at 141 I do think he is small at 149 so hypothetically as an NCAA lineup it would look something like.

 

125: Eli Herring/Austin Carfley/Sheamus Regan DNQ
133: Jax  AA 1-6 (cant see him losing to anyone aside from Blaze,Davino,Ayala,Byrd,Crookham I would pick him against most if not all)
141: Sam Herring 1-2 r24(that may be ambitious)
149: Bo Bassett 3-r12 (Would not pick him over shayne or Henson probaly a favoirte against Frost,Wasilewski,gioffre,Stiles,Jamison and lachlan feel like toss ups to me)
157: Jackson Butler DNQ
165: Melvin Miller 7-r24 (Do not see him beating Dee,Mitch,Caliedno,Brignola,Blaze,Minto I think he falls into the Garvin,ruiz,Downey,Scoles tier
174: O'Farril 0-2 (I think he could potentially qualify)
184: Pensiero DNQ
197: Not sure DNQ
285: Caleb Rodriguez DNQ

Not sure how many points that lineup would score
 

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12 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I believe they have 4 kids on the roster that have won college opens and Miller and Herring are not in that 4. I think Miller would pretty comfortably win 1-2 matches at NCAA this year with a ceiling to maybe get on the podium with the right draw although I would probably predict r16. Jax AA's at minimum at 133/141 and I think Bo probably AA's at 141 I do think he is small at 149 so hypothetically as an NCAA lineup it would look something like.

 

125: Eli Herring/Austin Carfley/Sheamus Regan DNQ
133: Jax  AA 1-6 (cant see him losing to anyone aside from Blaze,Davino,Ayala,Byrd,Crookham I would pick him against most if not all)
141: Sam Herring 1-2 r24(that may be ambitious)
149: Bo Bassett 3-r12 (Would not pick him over shayne or Henson probaly a favoirte against Frost,Wasilewski,gioffre,Stiles,Jamison and lachlan feel like toss ups to me)
157: Jackson Butler DNQ
165: Melvin Miller 7-r24 (Do not see him beating Dee,Mitch,Caliedno,Brignola,Blaze,Minto I think he falls into the Garvin,ruiz,Downey,Scoles tier
174: O'Farril 0-2 (I think he could potentially qualify)
184: Pensiero DNQ
197: Not sure DNQ
285: Caleb Rodriguez DNQ

Not sure how many points that lineup would score
 

Yeah we're on the same page. I was thinking Jax places 1st-5th, Bo somewhere from R12 to as high as maybe 4th, and Miller can with a match or two, maybe R16.  I don't think I'd give a match to anyone else, but that's still enough to place to 20.  (Last year, 21 points would've been the cutoff... e.g. ASU was top 20 with one AA -- Schultz 3rd -- and Maryland was top 25, just outside the top 20, with Jaxon Smith taking 6th.)

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On 9/15/2025 at 11:04 AM, fishbane said:

Weren't both DIakomihalis and Lee injured as high school seniors?  If not for that maybe we would have seem them wrestle more on the senior level.  I think Diakomihalis had surgery on his elbow (both elbows?) and missed his entire senior season.  Lee wrestled with a torn ACL as a senior opting the delay surgery until after PIAAs.

If you don't like comparing the past wrestlers to NCAA and senior level  athletes because of the small sample size, perhaps the recruiting class rankings would be more appropriate.  There are only recruiting class rankings for the past 20 years or so, so it's still somewhat limited.  Here are the recruiting rankings for some big threes mentioned in the thread.

Bishop McCort: Bassett (#1 2026), Miller (#1 2027), Forrest (#2 2026), Herring (#27 2026)

2013? St. John Bosco: Aaron Pico (#1+? 2016?), Anthony Valencia (#1 2015), Zahid Valencia (#3 2015)

2010 Blair: Villalonga (#3 2010), Evans (#4 2010), Grey (#7 2012)

2009 Blair: Villalonga (#3 2010), Ruth (#5 2009), Grey (#7 2012)

2004 Davison: Metcalf (#2 2005), Reader (#10 2006), Donahoe (#? 2004)

2010 Monroeville: Logan Stieber (#1 2010), Hunter Stieber (#7 2011), Chris Phillips (#11 2011), Cam Tessari (#31 2011) 

2015 Franklin Regional: Lee (#1 2017), Kemerer (#8 2015), Shields (#13 2015), Maruca (#55 2015)

2014 Blair: Kolodzik (#6 2015), McKenna (#8 2014) Manville (#10 2016)

I think the closest to have three top 2 recruits is probably St. John Bosco with Pico and the Valencias. Though Pico only wrestled at states hi freshman year (2013).  Pico also wasn't on the recruiting rankings probably since he went pro in high school.  He probably would have been #1 in 2016 ahead of Mark Hall. That makes 3 top 3 wrestlers on the same team. McCort has 

A lot of the Blair big 3s only existed for a limited time as Evans and Ruth were only there for a year and Manville transferred to Wyoming Seminary at some point too.

Y’all forget about Cade Olivas winning a state title with Zahid and Anthony at St John Bosco. Concussions did Olivas in but he was the next sure big thing. 

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So the answer is no, right? You can’t get much better than #1, 2, and 3 pound for pound. We are judging some others off of their college results, but just looking at what they’ve done in high school, these guys would be tough to beat

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2 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

So the answer is no, right? You can’t get much better than #1, 2, and 3 pound for pound. We are judging some others off of their college results, but just looking at what they’ve done in high school, these guys would be tough to beat

Not projecting success, just merely stating that Davison's 2005 team had 11 people who went on to wrestle D1 starting for them that season.  Would have had 12 had one of the twins not essentially retired out of HS.  Don't recall why he did that, but 11/14 is rather impressive.

Only two (Metcalf/Reader) would have been in consideration for P4P discussions.

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On 9/12/2025 at 7:57 AM, Hoyt Matthews said:

2000 Blair had Cooperman, Esposito, Backes, and Mocco…..pretty good group. 
 

2001 same group and add Robbie Preston. Blair early 2000s was ridiculous. 
 

2009 had Grey, Villalonga, and Ruth. 
 

All really good groups. 

blair had mark perry too

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Don't think they jump over the McCort group but South Plainfield HS had their famous "Murder's Row," where 3 of its members ended up AAing in Anthony Ashnault, Troy Heilmann & Scott DelVecchio.  

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