WTF Charlie

[reversaloffortune]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Not actually true, as Charlie Kirk's career -- entirely built on speaking at universities all across the country -- shows. He was speaking at Harvard only a few months ago.

He was scheduled to visit Colorado State next week. 

[reversaloffortune]

2 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

My hope last night was that this would turn out to be a wake up call to all of us that it is not the "woke libtards" or the 'maga wingers'  that are brining our country down, but it is the hatred for different views and inability to talk to each other and understand that listening doesn't have to equal agreeing, but it is how real true progress is made and how things become great.   It is literally the foundation of how we became the greatest nation in the world.  And hoping that we would wake up this morning in remembrance in that dark day 24 years ago when we all did forget about R/D, red/blue, left/right, and it hit us in a violent way they we are all in this together, and try to get back to that again. 

 

I see this morning that many on this board are not having that wake up moment, along with many you see commenting under news articles and posting on social media.   It really is sick.  People want to convince themselves they are 'fighting the good fight' when all they are doing is contributing to destruction.  Charlie once said when we stop talking to each other is when the violence starts.   We are seeing that more and more and more.  We will come to a point eventually where it is realized that constantly looking to fight and vilify the 'other side' will be the doom of our great nation, the history books give us all the evidence.  I just hope that point comes before, instead of after, it happens.  I for one just can't stand to see it anymore.  

My memory of a quarter century ago isn't nearly as rose coloured.  I remember a nation hell bent on revenge.  People with even a hint of middle eastern descent were viewed as terrorists.  A Sikh (not even the same region) was beaten because of his headwear.  The country was just as divided then as we are now.

[WrestlingRasta]

2 minutes ago, reversaloffortune said:

My memory of a quarter century ago isn't nearly as rose coloured.  I remember a nation hell bent on revenge.  People with even a hint of middle eastern descent were viewed as terrorists.  A Sikh (not even the same region) was beaten because of his headwear.  The country was just as divided then as we are now.

I guess you see what your heart wants you to see.  If you want to see hatred and division, the actions of the few as you described is what resonates.  If you don’t, the unity that was engaged in by the vast majority of the country is what stands out.  
 

You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution. Whichever you choose is what you choose. 
 

That is all….

[uncle bernard]

14 minutes ago, reversaloffortune said:

He was scheduled to visit Colorado State next week. 

This was the first stop of an entire tour of speaking on college campuses.

[Tripnsweep]

7 minutes ago, reversaloffortune said:

My memory of a quarter century ago isn't nearly as rose coloured.  I remember a nation hell bent on revenge.  People with even a hint of middle eastern descent were viewed as terrorists.  A Sikh (not even the same region) was beaten because of his headwear.  The country was just as divided then as we are now.

Some wackadoodle killed a Sikh gas station owner nearby here a few days after 9/11 . Then his brother also got murdered by another crazy person for the same reason a few years later. I went to his funeral because a friend of mine was close with his family and the Sikh community. It was extremely sad. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, WrestlingRasta said:

I guess you see what your heart wants you to see.  If you want to see hatred and division, the actions of the few as you described is what resonates.  If you don’t, the unity that was engaged in by the vast majority of the country is what stands out.  
 

You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution. Whichever you choose is what you choose. 
 

That is all….

Howard Stern got on the radio and said we should throw a dart at a map of the middle east and attack whatever country it hits. And that's essentially what we did, and it ended up killing a million people. Hate crimes against Arabs and Asians surged. So I don't think this is really an issue of "seeing what your heart wants to see." Those things happened.

[reversaloffortune]

4 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I guess you see what your heart wants you to see.  If you want to see hatred and division, the actions of the few as you described is what resonates.  If you don’t, the unity that was engaged in by the vast majority of the country is what stands out.  
 

You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution. Whichever you choose is what you choose. 
 

That is all….

I see the country as it is.

[reversaloffortune]

2 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Some wackadoodle killed a Sikh gas station owner nearby here a few days after 9/11 . Then his brother also got murdered by another crazy person for the same reason a few years later. I went to his funeral because a friend of mine was close with his family and the Sikh community. It was extremely sad. 

Exactly.  We were not and never have been truly unified.  

[jross]

3 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Some wackadoodle killed a Sikh gas station owner nearby here a few days after 9/11 . Then his brother also got murdered by another crazy person for the same reason a few years later. I went to his funeral because a friend of mine was close with his family and the Sikh community. It was extremely sad. 

I know a sikh from India and would not let him travel alone to certain places in the midwest because of 9/11 fears of muslims and confusion.  

[jross]

If anyone cared about gun violence, cities would welcome the national guard with open arms.

[reversaloffortune]

Because military in a police role works out really well.  

[uncle bernard]

7 minutes ago, jross said:

If anyone cared about gun violence, cities would welcome the national guard with open arms.

If anyone cared about gun violence, they would be willing to restrict the second amendment. As you're saying, there is a trade-off between freedom and safety. 

[jross]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

If anyone cared about gun violence, they would be willing to restrict the second amendment. As you're saying, there is a trade-off between freedom and safety. 

If one wanted to dramatically reduce gun violence, they would

• Execute a plan to increase the black father's presence in a two-parent family home.
• Heavily police the few blocks (hot spots) in major cities where gun violence predominantly occurs.
• Invest in smart gun technology that is reliable for the owner(s) in a time of need.  (specifically hand guns) 
  • and then mandate the smart gun technology on new guns

Somewhere after abortions, gangs, crimes, auto accidents, drugs, medical, drowning... one will eventually stumble onto the priority of school/church shootings.  Why is there so much attention on the school shooting outlier in comparison to the other ridiculousness occurring at much higher rates?

To Charlie's end... there isn't a gun restriction practical that would have prevented his assassination.

[reversaloffortune]

7 minutes ago, jross said:

If one wanted to dramatically reduce gun violence, they would

• Execute a plan to increase the black father's presence in a two-parent family home.
• Heavily police the few blocks (hot spots) in major cities where gun violence predominantly occurs.
• Invest in smart gun technology that is reliable for the owner(s) in a time of need.  (specifically hand guns) 
  • and then mandate the smart gun technology on new guns

Somewhere after abortions, gangs, crimes, auto accidents, drugs, medical, drowning... one will eventually stumble onto the priority of school/church shootings.  Why is there so much attention on the school shooting outlier in comparison to the other ridiculousness occurring at much higher rates?

To Charlie's end... there isn't a gun restriction practical that would have prevented his assassination.

How many bigotted right wing tropes can you fit in a single post?  You are outdoing yourself. Keep the pace up.

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Charlie Kirk was not kind. He built a media empire by provoking younger college students and then posting clips of them to the internet so they could be relentlessly mocked by his followers.

He was a political provocateur. You can agree with his mission and his views, but he was not "kind." However, being unkind is not a capital crime. He deserved the equal protection under the law that he so famously criticized when it was afforded to black people.

Provoked?  More like Made them look stupid when they all thought they were going to hand him his lunch.  

[JimmySpeaks]

23 minutes ago, reversaloffortune said:

How many bigotted right wing tropes can you fit in a single post?  You are outdoing yourself. Keep the pace up.

It’s funny how you wokesters can’t handle facts 

[reversaloffortune]

Jimmy, come up with something original for once. Your lack of maturity is showing.

[Caveira]

25 minutes ago, reversaloffortune said:

How many bigotted right wing tropes can you fit in a single post?  You are outdoing yourself. Keep the pace up.

What’s wrong with any of his 3 bullets?

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, reversaloffortune said:

Because military in a police role works out really well.  

What did you idiots think was going to happen when libtardos vilified the police and then wanted to defund them.  When there aren’t enough police who do you think is next in line??? 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, reversaloffortune said:

Jimmy, come up with something original for once. Your lack of maturity is showing.

Nah. It’s a fact that you can’t handle facts.  Everything he said is true and all you got is to play the race card.  

[wrestlingguy]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

What’s wrong with any of his 3 bullets?

No rebuttal. Facts are hard to refute.

[uncle bernard]

24 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Provoked?  More like Made them look stupid when they all thought they were going to hand him his lunch.  

That's how you see it, sure. That's also still a provocation.

[JimmySpeaks]

11 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

That's how you see it, sure. That's also still a provocation.

By the students, sure I agree 

[jross]

51 minutes ago, reversaloffortune said:

How many bigotted right wing tropes can you fit in a single post?  You are outdoing yourself. Keep the pace up.

I've done the research into gun violence using Federal data and was surprised.  The analysis and conclusion is my own in the first link below:

1. https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/3143-actual-conservative-policies-or-stances/#comment-100986
2. https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/147-seriously-michigan/page/12/#comment-21698

The one finding that makes me scratch my head some is that most gun violence is through stolen hand guns.  They guys committing the crimes don't have legal ownership.  They are getting their guns from legal owners.  So banning or heavily restricting legal hand guns reduces the guns available to be stolen.  You are not going to ban hand guns so how to make it safer?  Biometric smart gun technology becomes interesting because a thief cannot use the gun.  You need the ability to have multiple bio people linkages (e.g. 10 cops can all fire the same gun).  Except currently smart guns are easily hackable.  At least a smart gun prevents a toddler from accidental use.  The other problem with smart guns is that bio tech fails.  Like the face recognition and fingerprint reader on my devices sometimes fail.  If that was to fail when I needed it for defense, its a non starter.  So we need better smarter guns and then I'd support hand gun regulations involving smart gun tech.

[Paul158]

5 hours ago, reversaloffortune said:

Exactly.  We were not and never have been truly unified.  

No country is. It ebbs and flows. You have people from 180 countries or more. Hundreds of nationalities. Dozens of different religions. Then you have politics and the liberal and conservative media.