The state of Penn State

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah... he's still a 5X Champ. OJ Simpson is still one of the greatest RBs I've ever seen. Shockingly you can be a POS and a great athlete. 

 

I don't believe the girls... because it's silly to blindly believe(and I just heard about it)... but I sure as hell don't DISbelieve them. 

I mean...all things being equal, I would absolutely lean toward believing them, but as I've said, I've got literally no details and heard about this ~3 hours ago and then had to leave to take my Nephew "vroom-vroom."(4-wheeler). 

 

I do wonder what Cael and company are going to do here. You HAVE to...at the very least keep him away until this plays out. 

The intro to the story broke 3 weeks ago bro.  Beau posted a lot of stubs on bwi and said I’ll talk soon.   I remember a lot more peeps defending them at that time vs now.   
 

as much as this story is crazy and I’m a pretty self admitted not a psu fan.  None of this is good for wrestling as a whole.  Kids don’t want to hear about hazing bullying and oil checking in the room with your teammates.  Parents don’t want to put kids in a sport with the same.  Psu fans saying it’s cool 25 years ago some duche bag peed on me in the shower or locker room and nonsense like that Is ok…. Is not what’s good for the sport either.     

[bnwtwg]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

It may be a "fact," but... I don't think Gillman belongs in this group. I don't care at all about the Gillman story. 

Snyder was dirty and a hypocrite. 

Starocci... sounds like he could be a felon who has to talk to his neighbors before moving in.

Brooks is just a cheat and will forever be known as a cheat...which is a shame and weird as he's like 5'7 and seemed perfectly suited for 86KG. 

Any two of these would be nothing. Administration is not going to only look at two of them. They are going to look at all the facts no matter the context. And while we all agree with you regarding Gilman's likely intent (or lack thereof)... again, he wrote it in a public space which is literally the dumbest thing ever now that the heat is turned up.

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Any two of these would be nothing. Administration is not going to only look at two of them. They are going to look at all the facts no matter the context. And while we all agree with you regarding Gilman's likely intent (or lack thereof)... again, he wrote it in a public space which is literally the dumbest thing ever now that the heat is turned up.

What did Gilman write ?   Can’t keep up 

[cl415]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

What did Gilman write ?   Can’t keep up 

I think he is referencing him saying, “Not retired” while dodging USADA

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, cl415 said:

I think he is referencing him saying, “Not retired” while dodging USADA

Aaaaah tks 

[scourge165]

33 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The intro to the story broke 3 weeks ago bro.  Beau posted a lot of stubs on bwi and said I’ll talk soon.   I remember a lot more peeps defending them at that time vs now.   
 

as much as this story is crazy and I’m a pretty self admitted not a psu fan.  None of this is good for wrestling as a whole.  Kids don’t want to hear about hazing bullying and oil checking in the room with your teammates.  Parents don’t want to put kids in a sport with the same.  Psu fans saying it’s cool 25 years ago some duche bag peed on me in the shower or locker room and nonsense like that Is ok…. Is not what’s good for the sport either.     

Yeah...I NEVER heard anything from Bartlett about Starocci being a rapist. 

The bullying, I still haven't heard about that, but I don't spend much time on Wrestling Twitter. 

 

I don't know what you want from me here, I feel like the only reasonable thing to do at this point is reserving judgement because I hadn't heard anything about the sexual assault(though more likely believing the girls). I don't believe Bartlett said anything about sexual assault and if he did, I missed it. 

 

I was defending "them" when you were talking about Gillman. 

What are you looking for here from me?

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah...I NEVER heard anything from Bartlett about Starocci being a rapist. 

The bullying, I still haven't heard about that, but I don't spend much time on Wrestling Twitter. 

 

I don't know what you want from me here, I feel like the only reasonable thing to do at this point is reserving judgement because I hadn't heard anything about the sexual assault(though more likely believing the girls). I don't believe Bartlett said anything about sexual assault and if he did, I missed it. 

 

I was defending "them" when you were talking about Gillman. 

What are you looking for here from me?

I’m off to bed boss.  Fine the article and read that tho.  Details are in it 

[scourge165]

41 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Any two of these would be nothing. Administration is not going to only look at two of them. They are going to look at all the facts no matter the context. And while we all agree with you regarding Gilman's likely intent (or lack thereof)... again, he wrote it in a public space which is literally the dumbest thing ever now that the heat is turned up.

I think that's insane.

Your star Wrestler being accused of rape and then you're OTHER star Wrestler being juiced?

That's a LOT different than Gillman being a no-show for really stringent testing rules mostly while at Okie St and...then Snyder is bad, but he was an OSU guy so that's less related to the University. 

I mean, technically Brooks is as well, but he represented the University for a while. 

 

Morally, it's Starocci, Snyder, Brooks and then I don't know if Gillman was even immoral, but again, I don't even include him. 

As far as PSU should be upset, it's Starocci and Brooks. 

Even then it's MOSTLY Starocci as it was while he was a student. 

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’m off to bed boss.  Fine the article and read that tho.  Details are in it 

Of what? 3 Weeks ago Bartlett accusing Starocci of being a rapist?

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, VakAttack said:

Well the Starocci accusations occurred while he was a student athlete, and I'm not sure how the relationship between RTC and the schools is viewed.

Despite how credible the Starocci accusations seem I would think there would need to be charges at a minimum before the NCAA got involved.