Article about the rise of a Dual State

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43 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The left campaign strategy was literally don’t elect Hitler.  And he will take your right to vote away permanently and declare himself dictator.  
 

pardon me if I’m board with yet another attempt to make him Hitler. 
 

either he is Hitler and the right likes it

or

We’re tired of this lazy narrative that everything conservative is fascist / Hitler / dictator.  Bla bla bla. 
 

You can pick.  

oh they already did

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, jross said:

That's an opinion not grounded in facts.  The claim that diverse friendships alone make students lean left ignores how liberal professors, campus rules, and woke cultural trends push progressive ideas. Helping my daughter plan her college courses, I rolled my eyes to see she’s forced to study ‘cultural analysis in women’s gender and sexuality studies.' It’s not just frat boys staying conservative... plenty of us, especially guys drawn to traditional values like strength and independence, hold firm despite campus pressures.  The older I get and the more diversity I experience, I’m more empathetic but also more conservative, even finding Christianity’s moral clarity appealing as an agnostic.

Lack of reading comprehension here. I didn't say it was that alone. I specifically included social media - which has 100x the effect of any of the other stuff.

I'm surprised to see you advocate for safe spaces for students. Should your daughter only have to listen to ideas she already agrees with?

Why is it a big deal that she 'forced' to study (I'm assuming it's a required class for her major) that topic? If it's a required class for the major that means it's important for her to know that information, regardless of whether she agrees with it or not. 

To me, this once again displays how far removed people are from what actually happens in the classroom. Professors don't agree with everything they assign. Often they assign things they vehemently disagree with. When I was in school, an English professor assigned Antonin Scalia's book as a primary text for the Literary Theory class (one of the foundation classes for English Literature). Did he agree with Scalia? No, but the text is a useful tool to think with and against because it outlines a rigorous approach to interpretation, which was the central topic of the class.

I think you'd be pretty surprised at how much diversity of thought there is in these disciplines. Conservatives often assume all professors are "liberals" and think the same and teach their students dogma. In reality, there is a tremendous amount of internal debate. Within English for example, you have historicism, structuralism, post-structuralism, psychoanalysis, marxism, formalism, philology, linguistic, etc... and scholars who use those methodologies are constantly engaging with the others, arguing why they're wrong or using insights from other methods to enhance their own. That is the tradition of the Enlightenment. 

When your daughter goes to her "Cultural Analysis in Women's and Gender Studies" class, she won't be handed a list of beliefs on day 1 that she is expected to endorse. Instead, she'll be assigned 100s of pages of reading from the leading, most influential scholars in the field and be asked to formulate her own thoughts while engaging those texts. And she'll be graded on her ability to clearly convey those thoughts in an organized, supported written argument.

People have completely forgotten what the point of education is, especially a humanities education. You're supposed to critically engage with the information you're presented, not swallow it outright.

Your future employer teaches you how to do your job. Your education gives you the foundational thinking skills that allow you to process that information and put it to use.

[uncle bernard]

56 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

College courses are rarely geared toward critical thinking, but more toward memorizing what’s presented. 

Hilariously wrong lol

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

I always find it funny when a left leaning individual that pushes his agenda in the classroom doesn’t think that people that don’t agree aren’t critical thinkers that haven’t  experienced diverse groups of people.  It’s far from a self own. It’s a fact.  
 

Also, it wasn’t my first comment on the article so saying that’s my focus on the article is wrong. 

If you paid more attention in school, you might have learned how to write an actual sentence. Gibberish!

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6 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 

I'm surprised to see you advocate for safe spaces for students. Should your daughter only have to listen to ideas she already agrees with?

 

this is what many liberals want.

take a look at the number of conservative speakers who were cancelled, told not to come, or had people shout them down.

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8 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 

To me, this once again displays how far removed people are from what actually happens in the classroom. Professors don't agree with everything they assign. Often they assign things they vehemently disagree with. When I was in school, an English professor assigned Antonin Scalia's book as a primary text for the Literary Theory class (one of the foundation classes for English Literature). Did he agree with Scalia? No, but the text is a useful tool to think with and against because it outlines a rigorous approach to interpretation, which was the central topic of the class.

 

how far removed exactly.

when were you in college? 30 years ago?

that's pretty far removed.

[Doublehalf]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

College courses are rarely geared toward critical thinking, but more toward memorizing what’s presented. 

This may have been the case at trump university or your local community college but I can assure you there are plenty of schools with varying subject matter that are geared toward critical thinking.

[Offthemat]

7 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Hilariously wrong lol

It’s easy to find statements by conservative students who admit to compromising their true opinions to conform to the opinions and theories of their instructors, in order to preserve their grades.  This is confirmed to them after experiencing the abuse and ridicule their peers endure when they attempt ‘discussion’.

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

 

either he is Hitler and the right likes it

 

You're close here. 

He's not Hitler, but he is an authoritarian who does not believe in civil liberties or legal process. And the right likes it.

Conservatives want order. They want hierarchies to be enforced because they believe they are correct. They don't want society to change or evolve. It's literally in the name: Conservatives. That instinct always puts Conservatives in tension with civil democratic institutions and rights. 

The reason Conservatives love Trump so much is he's willing to actually say he doesn't believe in that stuff. That's what they love. No, you can't marry who you want. No, you can't identify as whatever gender you want. No, you can't protest who you want. No, you can't teach the subjects you want. It's all about telling people they disagree with "No." We're in charge, and we decide what you're allowed to believe and do. 

[jross]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

College courses are rarely geared toward critical thinking, but more toward memorizing what’s presented. 

 

[Bigbrog]

5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You're close here. 

He's not Hitler, but he is an authoritarian who does not believe in civil liberties or legal process. And the right likes it.

Conservatives want order. They want hierarchies to be enforced because they believe they are correct. They don't want society to change or evolve. It's literally in the name: Conservatives. That instinct always puts Conservatives in tension with civil democratic institutions and rights. 

The reason Conservatives love Trump so much is he's willing to actually say he doesn't believe in that stuff. That's what they love. No, you can't marry who you want. No, you can't identify as whatever gender you want. No, you can't protest who you want. No, you can't teach the subjects you want. It's all about telling people they disagree with "No." We're in charge, and we decide what you're allowed to believe and do. 

This is why people don't take you seriously...you spew absolute nonsense all the while trying to present yourself as an intellectual thinker...this proves how far from that you really are.

Your post is nothing but lie after lie....show ANY evidence of the things your wrote...and I'll make it easier for you...show any evidence of Trump saying any of the things you claim he believes...not your attempt at interpreting something he said by doing mental gymnastics...but actual prove he believes any of those things.

[Doublehalf]

1 minute ago, Bigbrog said:

This is why people don't take you seriously...you spew absolute nonsense all the while trying to present yourself as an intellectual thinker...this proves how far from that you really are.

Your post is nothing but lie after lie....show ANY evidence of the things your wrote...and I'll make it easier for you...show any evidence of Trump saying any of the things you claim he believes...not your attempt at interpreting something he said by doing mental gymnastics...but actual prove he believes any of those things.

Sounds like he hit a nerve… Bernard is right and your only retort is “you’re not as smart as you come off!”

[JimmySpeaks]

14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You're close here. 

He's not Hitler, but he is an authoritarian who does not believe in civil liberties or legal process. And the right likes it.

Conservatives want order. They want hierarchies to be enforced because they believe they are correct. They don't want society to change or evolve. It's literally in the name: Conservatives. That instinct always puts Conservatives in tension with civil democratic institutions and rights. 

The reason Conservatives love Trump so much is he's willing to actually say he doesn't believe in that stuff. That's what they love. No, you can't marry who you want. No, you can't identify as whatever gender you want. No, you can't protest who you want. No, you can't teach the subjects you want. It's all about telling people they disagree with "No." We're in charge, and we decide what you're allowed to believe and do. 

These are some quality sentences for sure.  Opinions and gibberish

[jross]

25 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Why is it a big deal that she 'forced' to study (I'm assuming it's a required class for her major) that topic? If it's a required class for the major that means it's important for her to know that information, regardless of whether she agrees with it or not. 

Is it reasonable to mandate that a college student, like a freshman, study feminism and LGBTQ+ issues to graduate? [NO!] Alternatively, she could opt for a course exploring distinctions between liberal, radical, Marxist, multicultural, and post-modern feminism. This situation echoes Max Dean’s concerns about forced indoctrination and the prioritization of ideology over academic rigor. We’ll see how her experience with the class unfolds.

Her dual majors are computer science and cyber security.

[Bigbrog]

2 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Sounds like he hit a nerve… Bernard is right and your only retort is “you’re not as smart as you come off!”

Didn't hit a nerve at all...if you were observant at all you would have seen that I laughed at what he wrote...because it is so bad it is funny.

Second, you clearly don't know how to read if all you got out of what I posted was "you're not as smart as you come off!"...I asked him to prove anything he said about Trump...actual proof.  I didn't even want to touch his ridiculous generalization/slanted view of what HE thinks a conservative is.

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Sounds like he hit a nerve… Bernard is right and your only retort is “you’re not as smart as you come off!”

Weekend at Bernie’s opinion is just that and nothing more.  

[jross]

36 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

To me, this once again displays how far removed people are from what actually happens in the classroom. Professors don't agree with everything they assign. Often they assign things they vehemently disagree with. When I was in school, an English professor assigned Antonin Scalia's book as a primary text for the Literary Theory class (one of the foundation classes for English Literature). Did he agree with Scalia? No, but the text is a useful tool to think with and against because it outlines a rigorous approach to interpretation, which was the central topic of the class.

I think you'd be pretty surprised at how much diversity of thought there is in these disciplines. Conservatives often assume all professors are "liberals" and think the same and teach their students dogma. In reality, there is a tremendous amount of internal debate. Within English for example, you have historicism, structuralism, post-structuralism, psychoanalysis, marxism, formalism, philology, linguistic, etc... and scholars who use those methodologies are constantly engaging with the others, arguing why they're wrong or using insights from other methods to enhance their own. That is the tradition of the Enlightenment. 

When your daughter goes to her "Cultural Analysis in Women's and Gender Studies" class, she won't be handed a list of beliefs on day 1 that she is expected to endorse. Instead, she'll be assigned 100s of pages of reading from the leading, most influential scholars in the field and be asked to formulate her own thoughts while engaging those texts. And she'll be graded on her ability to clearly convey those thoughts in an organized, supported written argument.

People have completely forgotten what the point of education is, especially a humanities education. You're supposed to critically engage with the information you're presented, not swallow it outright.

Your future employer teaches you how to do your job. Your education gives you the foundational thinking skills that allow you to process that information and put it to use.

I support critical thinking on high-priority issues, but feminism and LGBTQ+ studies don’t qualify. Topics like free speech, AI ethics, and voting rights are broader, less niche, and avoid promoting edge cases.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Offthemat said:

It’s easy to find statements by conservative students who admit to compromising their true opinions to conform to the opinions and theories of their instructors, in order to preserve their grades.  This is confirmed to them after experiencing the abuse and ridicule their peers endure when they attempt ‘discussion’.

Anecdotal.

And anecdotally, I can tell you every Conservative I've met who had this complaint viewed any sort of disagreement as an attack. And their work is usually bad too. They think they got a bad grade on their essay because of their opinions, but it's actually because they write like Caveira and didn't support any part of their argument with evidence.

[wrestlingguy]

16 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

The reason Conservatives love Trump so much is he's willing to actually say he doesn't believe in that stuff. That's what they love.

1. No, you can't marry who you want. 

2. No, you can't identify as whatever gender you want.

3. No, you can't protest who you want.  It's all about telling people they disagree with

1. Trump had two men get married at Mar A Lago. Try again. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-mar-lago-gay-wedding-1875232

2. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. So if people don't play along that is somehow wrong? I 100% support them seeking help. I play pretend with children not adults

3. Riots aren't protests 

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, jross said:

Is it reasonable to mandate that a college student, like a freshman, study feminism and LGBTQ+ issues to graduate?

Doesn’t Women’s Studies consist mainly of  ‘front to back’ and ‘nothing looks right’?

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

Anecdotal.

And anecdotally, I can tell you every Conservative I've met who had this complaint viewed any sort of disagreement as an attack. And their work is usually bad too. They think they got a bad grade on their essay because of their opinions, but it's actually because they write like Caveira and didn't support any part of their argument with evidence.

You gave nothing but opinions.  

[red viking]

Before 1939 Hitler Germany, there was 1933 Hitler Germany. Plenty of similarities to that and the Trumptard u.s. 

[jross]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

I can tell you every Conservative I've met who had this complaint viewed any sort of disagreement as an attack

What percentage of people have you encountered who aren’t overly sensitive to disagreements? Hardly any exist overall, and they’re practically unicorns among those under 22.

Pointing fingers just at conservatives shows your own biased “education.”

[uncle bernard]

12 minutes ago, jross said:

Is it reasonable to mandate that a college student, like a freshman, study feminism and LGBTQ+ issues to graduate? [NO!] Alternatively, she could opt for a course exploring distinctions between liberal, radical, Marxist, multicultural, and post-modern feminism. This situation echoes Max Dean’s concerns about forced indoctrination and the prioritization of ideology over academic rigor. We’ll see how her experience with the class unfolds.

Her dual majors are computer science and cyber security.

Yes. That's quite reasonable because the point of college is to educate. It's not a jobs training program. That doesn't mean she has to agree with the topics.

Take your alternate class example. I think you'd be shocked to learn how much those different schools of feminism disagree with each other. For example, liberal feminism corporate aspirations (think "Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg). Marxist feminism would be more focused on women as workers and how they may be exploited in modern society - for example, thousands of hours of unpaid domestic labor. There are many strains of "radical" feminism. That could encompass anybody from Valerie Solanas (SCUM Manifesto and shot Andy Warhol) to modern day TERFs who are vehemently anti-transgenderism.

The college's job is to educate you, not cater to your every belief. You aren't a customer. 

[uncle bernard]

18 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

1. Trump had two men get married at Mar A Lago. Try again. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-mar-lago-gay-wedding-1875232

2. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. So if people don't play along that is somehow wrong? I 100% support them seeking help. I play pretend with children not adults

3. Riots aren't protests 

1. This is true. Trump only does the LGBT stuff for his base. He doesn't actually care about that or the religious stuff. It's a tool.

2. You could just be normal and ignore it then. Instead, conservatives constantly try to get people fired from their teaching jobs just for being openly gay or trans.

3. Every riot is a protest, though not all protests are riots.