It's not happening, no it's rare, no it's supermanwoman

[red viking]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Show us all where it’s a god given right 

Control over your own body. Freedom Very basic, logical and in accordance w constitution and associated documents. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Doesn't change fact that it's a god given right for woman to remove fetus from her own body. 

Currently that god given right is up to each state.  As it should be. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

Control over your own body. Freedom Very basic, logical and in accordance w constitution and associated documents. 

Again show me where it says that.  In Writing. 

Edited June 9 by JimmySpeaks

[red viking]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

Again show me where it says that.  I. Writing. 

Abortion wasn't possible back then so it doesn't address it but it did address freedom and liberty. 

[Scouts Honor]

59 minutes ago, red viking said:

You don't have to kill it but mom has the right to have it removed from her body either way. Let it live though if the machine can keep it alive.

i know... lets let all the people who aren't viable survive on their own

how do you like those apples, jack.

[Scouts Honor]

59 minutes ago, red viking said:

God given rights should be federal

God specifically says Thou shalt not kill

[red viking]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

i know... lets let all the people who aren't viable survive on their own

how do you like those apples, jack.

Ain't the woman's problem. Shouldn't be forced to be a life support machine. 

[Scouts Honor]

56 minutes ago, red viking said:

All living things have DNA. Including sperm, mosquitos, cockroaches, flies, and rodents. Pathetic argument. 

so you dont recognize that different DNA proves a DIFFERENT living being

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Abortion wasn't possible back then so it doesn't address it but it did address freedom and liberty. 

So you lied 

[Scouts Honor]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Abortion wasn't possible back then so it doesn't address it but it did address freedom and liberty. 

so you realize that your lie about a God given right is just that 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Abortion wasn't possible back then so it doesn't address it but it did address freedom and liberty. 

So you can’t show me in writing. Got it. So no god given right by the constitution like YOU SAID THERE WAS. 

[Scouts Honor]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Ain't the woman's problem. Shouldn't be forced to be a life support machine. 

who forced her to have sex?

[red viking]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

who forced her to have sex?

Just about everybody has sex or tries to once they become adults. Welcome to real world!!!

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

Just about everybody has sex or tries to once they become adults. Welcome to real world!!!

Doesn’t mean you can kill a baby 

[Scouts Honor]

wait, you mean they don't know what causes pregnancy?

man the school system really has failed women

[red viking]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

Doesn’t mean you can kill a baby 

You can remove it though. 

[Scouts Honor]

kind of like removing parasitic illegal immigrants?

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

You can remove it though. 

Again. Removing a baby with its own unique DNA which is separate from the mother IS MURDER 

[Scouts Honor]

or removing parasitic troons? 

[Scouts Honor]

it is a God given right for a country to remove parasites from within.

[red viking]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

kind of like removing parasitic illegal immigrants?

If they were inside your body I'd definitely be fine w you removing them. 

[Scouts Honor]

i said a country. not a body

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

If they were inside your body I'd definitely be fine w you removing them. 

The god you say you believe knows 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

20 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Ok, well...if in this particular case, the person in question is a biological women, then they deserved to win.

 

My issue is the reflexive nature to fight on this issue.

We are quick to judge and I'm guilty of it in this case.... but it was more @red viking who I think is a smart person...or @El Luchadorwho thinks in the same linear manner. Everyone bad is on the left, everyone good is on the right.

 

We can be intellectually honest and maybe take a second. The Algerian Boxer was an example of someone who was immediately trashed unfairly. DSD is not trans...

 

But when we see something that's just...objectively wrong... we should call it out, even if we view it as a left wing or right wing issue.

As I'm sure you know, children have been born with both M and F features (ex: penis and vagina) for as long as anyone can remember. In some cases, the gender of this tiny, still mostly undeveloped child was simply unclear.

The uncaring, judgmental, pitchfork wielding jerks who post in forums just like this one have decided it's simple - one or the other. But they make the huge mistake of not realizing it isn't always anywhere near that simple.

When doctors can't make the call. The parents are pulled aside and requested to "assign" their child's gender.

As these tiny babies develop both physically and mentally into young children - the parents start to see and understand much more than they did when their child was a tiny peanut they could hold in the palm of one hand.

I don't have any answers to this one. (Nobody else does either, some just like to pretend they do.)

My instinct is to say - just leave them alone! They've already got more than enough to deal with. Keep out of their personal lives. As much as I believe that should work, it doesn't.

So, let's start with an example - tiny baby is assigned M at birth by parents because he had a penis (as well as a vagina) both underdeveloped at the point where a doctor couldn't make the call. As the child grows the penis no longer develops and becomes a tiny, underdeveloped, non-functioning, useless appendage - while the vagina develops and the child becomes what doctors would clearly recognize as F. To help try to make the child's life normal, they perform surgery to remove the useless appendage, and give them normal 'junk' - and the child's gender is reassigned to F.

Nothing wrong with that story other than it would be heavily emotionally painful for them and their entire family and that I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Then the folks with pitchforks come out and decide she's "just a tranny" and "she doesn't belong in the locker room" and "she's a pervert" and "they're grooming her" and "she should wait until she's 18", and boo... hisss... boo.

It's heartbreaking that these small-minded folks can't make room in their tiny minds to have empathy for children who have been going through more than most of these folks could ever imagine.

I still think my instinct is right - just leave them alone!

Leave it to them, their families, their doctors and everyone else who is willing to participate and care and be responsible with them. (It's not politics, it's personal.)

[scourge165]

4 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

As I'm sure you know, children have been born with both M and F features (ex: penis and vagina) for as long as anyone can remember. In some cases, the gender of this tiny, still mostly undeveloped child was simply unclear.

The uncaring, judgmental, pitchfork wielding jerks who post in forums just like this one have decided it's simple - one or the other. But they make the huge mistake of not realizing it isn't always anywhere near that simple.

When doctors can't make the call. The parents are pulled aside and requested to "assign" their child's gender.

As these tiny babies develop both physically and mentally into young children - the parents start to see and understand much more than they did when their child was a tiny peanut they could hold in the palm of one hand.

I don't have any answers to this one. (Nobody else does either, some just like to pretend they do.)

My instinct is to say - just leave them alone! They've already got more than enough to deal with. Keep out of their personal lives. As much as I believe that should work, it doesn't.

So, let's start with an example - tiny baby is assigned M at birth by parents because he had a penis (as well as a vagina) both underdeveloped at the point where a doctor couldn't make the call. As the child grows the penis no longer develops and becomes a tiny, underdeveloped, non-functioning, useless appendage - while the vagina develops and the child becomes what doctors would clearly recognize as F. To help try to make the child's life normal, they perform surgery to remove the useless appendage, and give them normal 'junk' - and the child's gender is reassigned to F.

Nothing wrong with that story other than it would be heavily emotionally painful for them and their entire family and that I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Then the folks with pitchforks come out and decide she's "just a tranny" and "she doesn't belong in the locker room" and "she's a pervert" and "they're grooming her" and "she should wait until she's 18", and boo... hisss... boo.

It's heartbreaking that these small-minded folks can't make room in their tiny minds to have empathy for children who have been going through more than most of these folks could ever imagine.

I still think my instinct is right - just leave them alone!

Leave it to them, their families, their doctors and everyone else who is willing to participate and care and be responsible with them. (It's not politics, it's personal.)

 

I like to wait and hear what the actual facts are, but I googled and found that a trans athlete won in CIF(and in retrospect, it wasn't even track, the link was for something else). 

 

I have a strong opinion on Men who transition to Women and they compete vs Women. That's black and white IN MY opinion. Lia Thomas is a selfish person with mental health issues. Not because she's trans, but because she competed in what was obviously an unfair event. 

 

But DSD is...an ENTIRELY different thing... and it's beyond me if they should be allowed to compete. 

 

About 1 in 140 Olympians(Female) have DSD. 
It's normally about 1 in 20,000

I don't know how to regulate that. What about LeBron? He was born with the genetics that made him 6'8 260 and have a 4.56 40 as a Soph in HS(when he was the Nations top WR prospect).

 

1-Walking around in a women's locker room with your penis out 2 years after identifying as a Women=Sick and should be banned.

2-DSD after spending your whole life living as a Gender and often not even knowing?

And by the way, not all DSD have little dicks. Some of them have internal testes or whatever. They don't necessarily know. 

 

So I have no opinion on this other than...I think it is cruel to talk about it in this manner or pretend to be an authority.