Army HC Kevin Ward leaving

[flyingcement]

43 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Minnow implying it’s going to be Nickerson

Would that mean that both Northern Colorado and Army wrestlers get a 30 day extension for portal entry?  I thought so but maybe it changed.

[flyingcement]

 

[BigRedFan]

7 hours ago, Ched64 said:

Let me rephrase…none of the OSU kids would have gotten into West Point. 

If Sergio Vega was accepted at Cornell, he would have gotten into West Point.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, BigRedFan said:

If Sergio Vega was accepted at Cornell, he would have gotten into West Point.

Not even slightly true.  Very different requirements.  Could he have probably passed those requirements?  Yes.  However, unlikely he went to that trouble.

And was he accepted at Cornell?  Cornell takes juniors in December of their junior year?  Or was it that he committed to Cornell, similar how Christian Carroll committed to Penn? (or AJ and UNC)

Edited June 9 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[BigRedFan]

4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Not even slightly true.  Very different requirements.  Could he have probably passed those requirements?  Yes.  However, unlikely he went to that trouble.

And was he accepted at Cornell?  Cornell takes juniors in December of their junior year?  Or was it that he committed to Cornell, similar how Christian Carroll committed to Penn? (or AJ and UNC)

You'll note that I said "If he was accepted."

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

You'll note that I said "If he was accepted."

That could be read multiple ways.  But nice save.

Cornell requiring a Congressional or Vice Presidential nomination now?  Candidate Fitness Assessment? DoDMERB exam?  

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

That could be read multiple ways.  But nice save.

Cornell requiring a Congressional or Vice Presidential nomination now?  Candidate Fitness Assessment? DoDMERB exam?  

Oh, come on now.  You don't really think that there is some exceptional vetting process that takes place to get a nomination that Vega wouldn't have gotten without a second thought?  And that there is *any* physical exam that Vega wouldn't have passed?

Anyone smart enough and fit enough to get recruited by an Ivy League wrestling program has all the qualifications to get nominated to and accepted by the military academies.  I don't know if there are other examples beyond Sergio Vega, but there must be some who were recruited by Cornell/Penn/Princeton/Harvard/etc. who chose OSU.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

21 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Oh, come on now.  You don't really think that there is some exceptional vetting process that takes place to get a nomination that Vega wouldn't have gotten without a second thought?  And that there is *any* physical exam that Vega wouldn't have passed?

Anyone smart enough and fit enough to get recruited by an Ivy League wrestling program has all the qualifications to get nominated to and accepted by the military academies.  I don't know if there are other examples beyond Sergio Vega, but there must be some who were recruited by Cornell/Penn/Princeton/Harvard/etc. who chose OSU.

Oh come on! You know how Vega is going to perform on hearing and eyesight tests?  Does he have any dental conditions?

Also, unlike Cornell, the Academies require SAT/ACT.  Cornell does not, correct?

The point is: even though a kid verbally committed to an Ivy, it doesn't mean they'd easily get into a service academy.  Actually, a pretty embarrassing statement to make.

Edited June 9 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

 

The point is: even though a kid verbally committed to an Ivy, it doesn't mean they'd easily get into a service academy.  Actually, a pretty embarrassing statement to make.

Not definite, but probably a pretty good indication.  I think most would consider Ivies (especially if not going to junior college first) as “harder” to get into than service academies.  And if they’re being recruited to wrestle then I’d think they’d be able to pass the physical requirements 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Not definite, but probably a pretty good indication.  I think most would consider Ivies (especially if not going to junior college first) as “harder” to get into than service academies.  And if they’re being recruited to wrestle then I’d think they’d be able to pass the physical requirements 

The physical requirements go beyond a basketball throw, a shuttle run, and some pull ups.  There are also medical requirements, not to mention the congressional nomination.

Then there's the whole SAT/ACT thing, which some Ivies no longer require. (I also know a NQ for an Ivy, a current wrestler, whom was not going to able to get into West Point)

Edited June 9 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[GimJustafan]

12 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Minnow implying it’s going to be Nickerson

welcome back to NY

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Also, unlike Cornell, the Academies require SAT/ACT.  Cornell does not, correct?

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Cornell has reinstituted standardized testing requirements for students seeking undergraduate admission beginning in Fall 2026.

 

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The physical requirements go beyond a basketball throw, a shuttle run, and some pull ups.  There are also medical requirements, not to mention the congressional nomination.

 

 

Edited June 9 by BigRedFan

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

 

So next years recruits will be the first class in some time to take standardized tests and then enter school in 2026.

[wrestlingfan22]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The physical requirements go beyond a basketball throw, a shuttle run, and some pull ups.  There are also medical requirements, not to mention the congressional nomination.

Then there's the whole SAT/ACT thing, which some Ivies no longer require. (I also know a NQ for an Ivy, a current wrestler, whom was not going to able to get into West Point)

I know wrestlers at (or formerly at) service academies who couldn't get into Ivy's. It is all dependent on the student

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, wrestlingfan22 said:

I know wrestlers at (or formerly at) service academies who couldn't get into Ivy's. It is all dependent on the student

Right.  I'm not saying otherwise; there are just different qualifications for a service academy: medical, physical, congressional, etc.  I'm just saying that it is completely different than any other type of admissions process.  So, yeah, I don't believe that any wrestler who verbally commits to Cornell can also get into any service academy.

[okokzach]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Right.  I'm not saying otherwise; there are just different qualifications for a service academy: medical, physical, congressional, etc.  I'm just saying that it is completely different than any other type of admissions process.  So, yeah, I don't believe that any wrestler who verbally commits to Cornell can also get into any service academy.

Ok but go back to OP's post, which said, "none of the OSU kids would have gotten into West Point." 

That's a silly statement to make so definitively. 

[BruceyB]

8 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Oh come on! You know how Vega is going to perform on hearing and eyesight tests?  Does he have any dental conditions?

Also, unlike Cornell, the Academies require SAT/ACT.  Cornell does not, correct?

The point is: even though a kid verbally committed to an Ivy, it doesn't mean they'd easily get into a service academy.  Actually, a pretty embarrassing statement to make.

Bro, why are you so combative about such insignificant topics? You went on and on about Cape vs Cabo, and now you're digging your heels in about how it's possible that Sergio Vega may not have been accepted to West Point in an alternate universe where he applied? 

You're trying to play "gotcha" against @BigRedFan by pointing out a hypothetical flaw in his statement that if Vega can get into Cornell that he could likely get into West Point. 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

Bro, why are you so combative about such insignificant topics? You went on and on about Cape vs Cabo, and now you're digging your heels in about how it's possible that Sergio Vega may not have been accepted to West Point in an alternate universe where he applied? 

You're trying to play "gotcha" against @BigRedFan by pointing out a hypothetical flaw in his statement that if Vega can get into Cornell that he could likely get into West Point. 

 

Basically.  But it was a Cornell fan basically talking about how anyone who gets into Cornell could easily get into West Point.  Which is clearly not accurate.

I also wouldn't say I'm combative.  I'm having a discussion, which is basically the point here.

But the Cape/Cabo thing needed to be ready in context... another member talked down to someone who said "Cape" and said they were two different things.  I was just telling him that he was actually in the wrong.  Then he doubled down and I showed him again.  I wouldn't have cared otherwise.

Edited June 10 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[ugarles]

I love Cornell. I am Cornell. AND I'm an insane leftist with a very specific attitude about our nation's approach to the military and military culture generally. That said...

The admissions requirements for West Point and Cornell would not be depicted as a big West Point circle with a little Cornell circle inside it. There are a lot of West Point admittees who couldn't get into Cornell and a LOT of Cornell students who couldn't get into West Point (like me, and not just because I couldn't do all the pushups.) The average SAT score is probably higher at Cornell but that's not particularly important. The military academies are looking for different things - a committment to something, a desire to serve - than the Ivies are and it's reflected in admissions, even for those recruited in part for athletics.

[BigNick]

On 6/8/2025 at 7:28 PM, Ched64 said:

I would be disappointed if the main reason these kids went to West Point was to wrestle.  And I am not sure most of the kids who wrestle for OSU could have gotten into West Point though I would bet a large amount that every kid that is wrestling for West Point would have gotten academic scholarship money to go to OSU. And will likely manage the OSU kids when they all end up in the real world.  What a silly train of thought!

I agree. The vast majority of the Army wrestlers see a much bigger picture than just wrestling in college. I would guess that at least 90% of D1 wrestlers would not qualify for entrance at West Point.

[BigNick]

On 6/12/2025 at 1:53 PM, ugarles said:

I love Cornell. I am Cornell. AND I'm an insane leftist with a very specific attitude about our nation's approach to the military and military culture generally. That said...

The admissions requirements for West Point and Cornell would not be depicted as a big West Point circle with a little Cornell circle inside it. There are a lot of West Point admittees who couldn't get into Cornell and a LOT of Cornell students who couldn't get into West Point (like me, and not just because I couldn't do all the pushups.) The average SAT score is probably higher at Cornell but that's not particularly important. The military academies are looking for different things - a committment to something, a desire to serve - than the Ivies are and it's reflected in admissions, even for those recruited in part for athletics.

I know for sure that Army is looking for  legitimate D1 talented wrestlers -BUT THEY WANT A PERSON THAT WANTS TO SERVE THEIR COUNTRY AND NOT MOTIVATED BY financial and material awards.

[Tripnsweep]

7 minutes ago, BigNick said:

I know for sure that Army is looking for  legitimate D1 talented wrestlers -BUT THEY WANT A PERSON THAT WANTS TO SERVE THEIR COUNTRY AND NOT MOTIVATED BY financial and material awards.

Going to West Point and graduating basically gives you a pathway to a career for life. Even if you don't stay in the military, once your time is up, there's no shortage of places that would hire a West Point grad who has 4-5 years of experience. Depending on your duties in the army, that security clearance you might have becomes insanely valuable outside of the military. An old friend of mine served in the army and got the clearance. Once his time was up he got a job in a field he knew nothing about because it was cheaper to train him to do the job than spend the money to get somebody the proper clearance. Don't overlook the financial aspects of graduating from West Point.