The Dynasies - what keeps them going?

[AgaveMaria]

Oklahoma State, Iowa, Penn State. The big dogs with a few others maybe fitting in as they won a number of titles before Iowa found the formula.

A few others in the mix but not dynasty teams. Good & occasionally great but not sustainable. Oklahoma and Iowa State are two of those. Good and won a number of titles but not like OSU, Iowa and now Penn State.

OSU did it with different coaches through the decades. Iowa was Gable & a few runs after he retired. Penn State is the big dog now.

When you are winning you attract wrestlers who want to be part of the magic. Wrestlers who want to compete at the highest levels. A number of them who want to wresle for "The Coach" - and it perpetuates itself, at least for a time.

No matter the Coach and team no one gets all the top guys. The coaches of these teams somehow have kids who wrestle to their potential. who buy into the system and work for it - for some reason moreso than at other schools.

This year Penn State underperformed and still set a scoring record - breaking the one they set last year.

At one point Iowa under Dan Gable won nine titles in a row.

What is it that has these schools so dominant for so long?

 

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Oklahoma State, Iowa, Penn State. The big dogs with a few others maybe fitting in as they won a number of titles before Iowa found the formula.

A few others in the mix but not dynasty teams. Good & occasionally great but not sustainable. Oklahoma and Iowa State are two of those. Good and won a number of titles but not like OSU, Iowa and now Penn State.

OSU did it with different coaches through the decades. Iowa was Gable & a few runs after he retired. Penn State is the big dog now.

When you are winning you attract wrestlers who want to be part of the magic. Wrestlers who want to compete at the highest levels. A number of them who want to wresle for "The Coach" - and it perpetuates itself, at least for a time.

No matter the Coach and team no one gets all the top guys. The coaches of these teams somehow have kids who wrestle to their potential. who buy into the system and work for it - for some reason moreso than at other schools.

This year Penn State underperformed and still set a scoring record - breaking the one they set last year.

At one point Iowa under Dan Gable won nine titles in a row.

What is it that has these schools so dominant for so long?

 

I feel like you answered your own question...multiple times. 

 

When did Penn State become dominant?

What has happened to Okie State in the past 12 months?

[alex1fly]

Behind the scenes. The matches are 1% of the time spent by the athletes. 

[D3 for LU]

... I'm NOT intentionally being a noid here, but isn't it DYNASTIES ?

D3

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, D3 for LU said:

... I'm NOT intentionally being a noid here, but isn't it DYNASTIES ?

 

No. It's dynasies...

[D3 for LU]

Excuse me... but did you say daisy?

D3

[D3 for LU]

I'll finish it...

D3

[Offthemat]

My wife says dynadasies are hard to grow.

[Kov88]

Money, coaching, culture

[AgaveMaria]

9 hours ago, D3 for LU said:

... I'm NOT intentionally being a noid here, but isn't it DYNASTIES ?

D3

Didn't even notice. Touch typing & I'm losing my touch...

[MPhillips]

5 hours ago, Offthemat said:

My wife says dynadasies are hard to grow.

[peanut]

The Dynasies:

• 1928 to 1971- Oklahoma State
• 1975 to 2000- Iowa
• 2011 to Present- Penn State

In the ten championships from 2001 to 2010, there was no clear top dog:

• Oklahoma State won four times
• Iowa won three times
• Minnesota won three times

Iowa State and Oklahoma broke through a number of times (eight for Iowa State and seven for Oklahoma), but when they did so it was always during another team's era.

[jmoney]

Kaos on Netflix is a good show for anyone interested in mythology and such names as Dionysus

[wrestle87]

On 4/19/2025 at 3:08 PM, MPhillips said:

No. It's dynasies...

 

[okokzach]

12 hours ago, jmoney said:

Kaos on Netflix is a good show for anyone interested in mythology and such names as Dionysus

Likewise, Hades is a great video game 

[Boring]

On 4/20/2025 at 12:34 PM, peanut said:

The Dynasies:

• 1928 to 1971- Oklahoma State
• 1975 to 2000- Iowa
• 2011 to Present- Penn State

In the ten championships from 2001 to 2010, there was no clear top dog:

• Oklahoma State won four times
• Iowa won three times
• Minnesota won three times

Iowa State and Oklahoma broke through a number of times (eight for Iowa State and seven for Oklahoma), but when they did so it was always during another team's era.

The fall of Oklahoma is particularly depressing. I remember they were a consistent powerhouse team in the 70s/80s, although they only won a single team title during that stretch (1974).  The team has not just stagnated under AD Castiglione, it's decomposed.  Kish has been doing decent work, but none of the kids today know who he is (no name recognition doesn't help recruiting!) and he doesn't get elite recruits. If it wasn't for transfers OU would've done exactly zero at NCAAs this year. 

OU will be down until they actually sink money into the program and hire a coach the kids have actually heard of.  

[Boring]

On 4/20/2025 at 4:16 PM, jmoney said:

Kaos on Netflix is a good show for anyone interested in mythology and such names as Dionysus

Blue Eye Samurai is better. 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13309742/

Edited Thursday at 04:46 PM by Boring