Survey Claims Half of Leftists Justify Violence Against Trump, Musk, Tesla. Is this true?

[jross]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Awesome. They said the Ballots were too neatly folded.

It suggests nonsense.

The claim is that some ballots did not have a crease (no folds at all)... but all mailed responses are folded... so... ??? coming from a 20 year pollster, grandmother, graduate degree from USC, swore under risk of jail...

Does everything Red Viking says have a reflection on you?  Then stop with comparing every pollster...

[jross]

13 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Oh...ok...so you think it was rigged, but you ALSO don't think people would have objected to Trump having stayed in power on Jan6th had Pence accepted the illegal electorates?

Stalling to have cases heard in court is better than...

Having votes thrown out and the president selected by congress is grey... not really okay but better than...

Seizing power by breaking the law... 

All can be true while rigging is also true.

Remember, Democrats published an article explaining many ways the election was rigged.  Its 'admitted' that the unethical common ways of rigging were done, and bragged about openly in this case... 

What's still unknown is whether Georgia was as bad as claimed... which if proven... completely destroys credibility 

Was there rigging?  yes a lot of 'legal' rigging openly!

Was there fraud?  yes but unknown how much.

Georgia is a big deal.

[jross]

On 4/8/2025 at 10:20 AM, red viking said:

I'm not surprised that some people on the left are ready/willing to stand up to them. 

What's your take?  Do you believe the poll?  Where do you fit on the poll's questions?

[Boring]

5 hours ago, Caveira said:

Give me one good reason your boy Biden didn’t have his jd try or charge anyone for insurrection.

Biden was a doddering, demented old man. He didn't do a lot of things he should have done . Why do you call him "my boy"? I only voted for him because he was the lesser of two evils. Looking at the stock market now should give you a good reason why. 

Edited Thursday at 06:24 PM by Boring

[Caveira]

Just now, Boring said:

Biden was a doddering, demented old man. He didn't do a lot of things he should have done .

Give me one good reason the anti Trump people around Biden who were really running the country and the justice department did not charge or try anyone for insurrection. 

[Boring]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Give me one good reason the anti Trump people around Biden who were really running the country and the justice department did not charge or try anyone for insurrection. 

I think some were, come to think of it. I think that one fat neo-nazi Stuart Rhodes, and that KKK latino Fuentes were charged with insurrection? 

[mspart]

2 minutes ago, Boring said:

Biden was a doddering, demented old man. He didn't do a lot of things he should have done .

This is not an answer.   The Attorney General could have done so if he wanted.  It was not up to Biden.   There were insurrection charges because there was no crime of insurrection.   It's too bad people wish to ignore that fact.

mspart

[Boring]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

This is not an answer.   The Attorney General could have done so if he wanted.  It was not up to Biden.   There were insurrection charges because there was no crime of insurrection.   It's too bad people wish to ignore that fact.

mspart

The Attorney General works for the President, unfortunately. Especially now that we have an actual criminal in the White House. 

[mspart]

So of all the prosecutions, none were based on insurrection because of Biden?   Are you kidding me?

msaprt

[Caveira]

19 minutes ago, Boring said:

Stuart Rhodes

Wasn’t that just seditious conspiracy and evidence tampering?

[Caveira]

23 minutes ago, Boring said:

KKK latino Fuentes

Nick Fuentes was charged with misdemeanor battery. 
 

still waiting for you to have one good reason no one in the Biden administration charged or tried anyone for insurrection.   

[Boring]

41 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Nick Fuentes was charged with misdemeanor battery. 
 

still waiting for you to have one good reason no one in the Biden administration charged or tried anyone for insurrection.   

Clearly the ball was dropped. Or maybe Team Treason Republicans are right, and it was just another happy day at the Capital and no laws were broken?? 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, jross said:

Stalling to have cases heard in court is better than...

Having votes thrown out and the president selected by congress is grey... not really okay but better than...

Seizing power by breaking the law... 

All can be true while rigging is also true.

Remember, Democrats published an article explaining many ways the election was rigged.  Its 'admitted' that the unethical common ways of rigging were done, and bragged about openly in this case... 

What's still unknown is whether Georgia was as bad as claimed... which if proven... completely destroys credibility 

Was there rigging?  yes a lot of 'legal' rigging openly!

Was there fraud?  yes but unknown how much.

Georgia is a big deal.

Yeah...that part in bold just gives away how you claim people would have been SO outraged if the plan that Trump came up with happened. 

There was no rigging. I don't know what article you're referring to and I don't care. The DOJ under BILL BARR...he's the guy who chose to let everyone under Reagan off the hook. You remember, the guns, the cocaine...all to fund the Contras?

 

"Georgia is a big deal." I mean...sure. It's a big state. It was a big deal when Trump lost(though he still loses with or without it). And then when both Democrats won the Senate seats...

 

But yeah, I saw way more of your a$$ than I wanted to when you talked about how people wouldn't have Stood for the very thing that Trump tried to do and then just...defended the idea of doing EXACTLY that with nonsense. 

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What's still unknown is whether Georgia was as bad as claimed... which if proven... completely destroys credibility

 

You're a little behind brother. Georgia was worse than claimed.

Trump asked the MAGA Secretary of State and the MAGA Governor, both of whom supported him, he asked very publicly if they would rig the election for him. 

 

That case SHOULD have been heard. 

 

1 hour ago, jross said:

Stalling to have cases heard in court is better than...

Yeah. Again, gotta agree here. When Trump kept stalling and the courts let it happen, that IS better than him being the first person to stop the peaceful transfer of power. 

 

Trump was a traitor who put self interests above the United States. That's it. That's the bottom line. And there are people demented enough that they'll argue in the same thread that nobody would have stood by and watched him pull off his plan that ONLY Mike Pence ws there to stop, even Republicans...while then advocating for that plan. 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, jross said:

The claim is that some ballots did not have a crease (no folds at all)... but all mailed responses are folded... so... ??? coming from a 20 year pollster, grandmother, graduate degree from USC, swore under risk of jail...

Does everything Red Viking says have a reflection on you?  Then stop with comparing every pollster...

Nonsense. Just..more nonsense. And people were already under the risk of perjury and caught lying. 

By the way, I got mine in a large envelope...so I never folded it AND I returned it to a drop box near my polling center. So mine had no creases. 

Keep grasping at straws to justify Trump trying to circumvent the will of the people. 

But, lets fact check this claim(yet again). 

The claim that mail-in ballots from the 2020 U.S. presidential election were received without creases, suggesting they were never folded for mailing, has been investigated and found to lack credible evidence. Mail-in ballots are typically folded to fit into envelopes for mailing; therefore, a ballot without creases would be unusual. However, multiple audits and reviews of the 2020 election, including those conducted in key states, have consistently upheld the integrity of the mail-in voting process and found no evidence of widespread fraud. For instance, an Associated Press investigation into allegations of counterfeit ballots in Georgia found no evidence to support such claims. Similarly, other fact-checking organizations have debunked various allegations of mail-in ballot fraud. These findings indicate that claims about mail-in ballots without creases being evidence of fraud are unfounded.

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

This is not an answer.   The Attorney General could have done so if he wanted.  It was not up to Biden.   There were insurrection charges because there was no crime of insurrection.   It's too bad people wish to ignore that fact.

mspart

Ok...well, too bad more people didn't have this take. 

I think you make a good point though. I think Trump should have been charged...here's why he wasn't;

 

Legal and Evidentiary Challenges:

• Narrow Legal Definition: The statute for insurrection has a specific and narrow definition, historically applied to cases involving external rebellion against the government. Applying this statute to a sitting president's actions presented unprecedented legal challenges. The Atlantic

• First Amendment Concerns: Much of the evidence against Trump involved public statements and speeches. Prosecutors were cautious about pursuing charges that could be perceived as infringing upon First Amendment rights, which protect freedom of speech.

• Lack of Direct Evidence: While there was evidence suggesting Trump's indirect encouragement of the Capitol attack, establishing direct involvement or intent to incite violence is a higher legal threshold that prosecutors may have found challenging to meet. The Atlantic

Strategic Prosecutorial Decisions:

• Focus on Other Charges: Special Counsel Jack Smith opted to pursue charges that were more straightforward to prove, such as conspiracy to defraud the United States and obstruction of an official proceeding. These charges were deemed to have a higher likelihood of success in court. The Atlantic

• Risk of Legal Precedent: Charging a former president with insurrection would have been unprecedented and carried significant legal and political implications. Prosecutors may have been concerned about setting a challenging precedent and the potential for protracted legal battles.

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, Boring said:

The Attorney General works for the President, unfortunately. Especially now that we have an actual criminal in the White House. 

No. Wrong. The President, despite what Republicans argued for 4 years, cannot bring charges or instruct the AG to do so.

Merrick Garland didn't do so for the EXACT same reason HE was the Judge the Republicans have specifically cited as the moderate that Obama should nominate, "but he won't nominate someone like Garland," said Lindsay 'theys just my 'lil butterflies- Graham. 

They didn't do it because they were spineless. They didn't want it to look like they were going after political enemies and...in the end, that's what they were accused of anyway.

And then Trump literally came out and said that's what he planned to do(again) and we'll see if he does it this time.

But saying it was because of Biden? No, he stayed out of it as he should have. 

[jross]

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

…a not so humble brag about legal rigging

…genius in some ways

 

[Caveira]

32 minutes ago, Boring said:

Clearly the ball was dropped. Or maybe Team Treason Republicans are right, and it was just another happy day at the Capital and no laws were broken?? 

No one said no laws were broken.  We’re saying it wasn’t an insurrection.  If it was…. The Ds would have prosecuted these dirty Rs as heavily as they could.  
 

the ball wasn’t dropped… they didn’t have evidence to bring insurrection charges against anyone.  The fact is they would have if they thought they had evidence.  

Edited Thursday at 08:05 PM by Caveira

[Offthemat]

39 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

No. Wrong. The President, despite what Republicans argued for 4 years, cannot bring charges or instruct the AG to do so.

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

[mspart]

3 hours ago, Boring said:

Clearly the ball was dropped. Or maybe Team Treason Republicans are right, and it was just another happy day at the Capital and no laws were broken?? 

Laws were broken.   That's why people were tried and convicted.   But treason was not one of them.   Maybe the whole of Bidens government messed up but I don't think so.   There was no basis for prosecution treason. That is the most logical answer.   If they had committed treason, they would have been charged for it.  

mspart

[jross]

Timeline of VoterGA’s 2020 Georgia Election Lawsuits (note: VoterGA is non partisan)

2020

• November 14-15, 2020: Georgia conducts statewide hand count audit. Four senior poll managers and two audit monitors submit affidavits alleging they handled ballots lacking creases, on different paper stock, not hand-marked, and with identical votes (claims remain unproven).

Georgia officials reviewed and found no evidence of fraud.

 

Favorito and VoterGA reject these findings, arguing the inspections were superficial or biased. They claim officials didn’t thoroughly investigate specific allegations, like the affidavits from four poll managers and two audit monitors (November 2020) describing ballots as uncreased, on different paper stock, machine-marked, and identical. VoterGA believes only an independent, plaintiff-led inspection can verify or debunk these claims, as they suspect officials had incentives to downplay issues.

 

2021

• January 7, 2021: Judge Brian Amero issues temporary injunction in Favorito v. Wan to preserve Fulton County’s 2020 election ballots.
• April 13, 2021: Judge Amero orders Fulton County to produce scanned absentee ballot images for plaintiffs in Favorito v. Wan.
• April 21, 2021: Judge Amero grants motion to add Fulton County and its clerk as defendants in Favorito v. Wan.
• May 21, 2021: Judge Amero orders Fulton County’s 147,000+ absentee ballots unsealed for inspection and copying by plaintiffs, to remain in county custody.
• June 24, 2021: Judge Amero grants petitioners’ motion to add parties in Favorito v. Wan.
• October 13, 2021: Judge Amero dismisses Favorito v. Wan, ruling plaintiffs lack standing to sue.

2022

• July 1, 2022: Georgia Court of Appeals upholds Amero's decision.
• December 20, 2022: Georgia Supreme Court overturns Amero’s dismissal in Favorito v. Wan, confirming plaintiffs’ standing as voters and taxpayers.

2023

• May 11, 2023: Georgia Court of Appeals adopts Supreme Court’s ruling and remands Favorito v. Wan to Henry County Superior Court.
• May 12, 2023: Judge Amero recuses himself; case reassigned to Judge Robert McBurney.
• May 16, 2023: Plaintiffs file motion to recuse Judge McBurney for bias.
• June 2023: State Election Board consent order confirms ~3,000 ballots double-counted in Fulton County’s 2020 hand count audit due to error.
• December 7, 2023: Judge Jane Morrison Leftridge denies motion to recuse Judge McBurney.

2024

• June 24, 2024: Motion filed to substitute parties in Favorito v. Wan for new Fulton County election board members.
• June 2024: Fulton County requests court lift 2021 injunction preserving ballots, citing storage constraints.  Weird given they just began leading a 600K square foot warehouse.
• July 1, 2024: VoterGA files Open Records Request (ORR) for access to Fulton County’s unsealed ballots.
• July 10, 2024: Fulton County Board of Elections responds to ORR, stating “no responsive records exist.”
• July 11, 2024: VoterGA files same ORR with court clerk for unsealed ballots; no reply, request marked as duplicate.
• August 28, 2024: VoterGA files new complaint, Favorito v. Alexander, against Fulton County for ORR violations.

Favorito v. Alexander specifically seeks to compel ballot release, suggesting VoterGA is countering Fulton County’s claim that “no responsive records exist” (July 10, 2024)

 

 

JUST PRODUCE THE BALLOTS AND WE GET TRUST

 

The problem now is that the ballots were original mandated for retention through Oct/Nov 2022.  Fulton County isn’t legally obligated to keep the ballots absent the injunction... and there is constant risk of final dismissal of the injunction.

 

It's damning that 3K errors were already found after "no issues" were repeatedly declared.  It's damning that the officials will not release the records they are legally required to do.

[Offthemat]

“Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard stated Thursday that the U.S. government has uncovered concrete evidence proving that electronic voting machines are vulnerable to vote manipulation. Gabbard made the comments during a cabinet meeting with President Donald Trump, who has made election integrity a central focus of his administration.”
 

https://yournews.com/2025/04/10/3367376/dni-tulsi-gabbard-evidence-confirms-voting-machines-susceptible-to-vote/

[red viking]

35 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

“Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard stated Thursday that the U.S. government has uncovered concrete evidence proving that electronic voting machines are vulnerable to vote manipulation. Gabbard made the comments during a cabinet meeting with President Donald Trump, who has made election integrity a central focus of his administration.”
 

https://yournews.com/2025/04/10/3367376/dni-tulsi-gabbard-evidence-confirms-voting-machines-susceptible-to-vote/

She's already a known perjurer so zero credibility. That also doesn't provide any evidence whatsoever that any of that actually happened. 

[scourge165]

On 4/10/2025 at 5:48 PM, mspart said:

Laws were broken.   That's why people were tried and convicted.   But treason was not one of them.   Maybe the whole of Bidens government messed up but I don't think so.   There was no basis for prosecution treason. That is the most logical answer.   If they had committed treason, they would have been charged for it.  

mspart

No...that's just not true. It's simply more difficult and they had them on charges that were SO much easier to prove because...they took video of themselves. 

 

The real problem was the Democrats dragging their feet and then picking Jack Smith...who was about as respected as they come(until investigating the guy that most Republicans in the weeks ensuing J6 said should happen) and then he had to deal with an incompetent Judge who...basically used the Nixon, "if the President does it, it's not illegal" argument, and then before it could be appealed, the election was here and... not much you could do. 

 

The "find me 11,862 votes," was...about as blatant as it gets. 

 

 

I'm still amazed though. Jross tried to paint the left as extremists and then he has...just continually verified it's actually the right who justifies what Trump did.

Actually, let me be more clear. He "understands" why Trump acted the way he did if he really believed...what we NOW KNOW he didn't really believe, but he "understands" why he'd commit the crimes he committed. 

 

This is also like asking why if someone lied weren't they charged with perjury. Well, you need to PROVE they KNOWINGLY lied. There is just a high legal burden to doing so. 

[Caveira]

5 hours ago, scourge165 said:

argument, and then before it could be appealed

Y’all had 4 years your using time as your excuse lol.    Your funny.