Survey Claims Half of Leftists Justify Violence Against Trump, Musk, Tesla. Is this true?

[Boring]

5 minutes ago, jross said:

Plenty of self-identifying progressives believe in open borders.

https://fpif.org/progressives-should-support-open-borders-with-no-apology/

I'm ignoring the 'what about' libertarians... of which also have some that do and do not support open borders.

If that's the only thing you can find to object to in my lengthy response then I'll have to assume you agree with me. By the way the fact that the name of the article is "progressives SHOULD support open borders" shows that progressive do not, in fact, support open borders Of course there are "flyers" who don't tow the party line. Progressives aren't monolithic demanding absolute obeisance to somebody like Trump. They don't kick Democrats out of the party for offending Dear Leader like the GOP did with Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. 

Edited April 8 by Boring

[jross]

3 minutes ago, Boring said:

Nobody's ear heals completely in a month. 

Was a chunk removed or was it a scratch?  Superficial wounds heal quickly and is plausible.  

[mspart]

5 hours ago, scourge165 said:

They tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power. That's it.

How hard did they try?   did they leave when the police finally said it was time to go?   How serious were they in stopping the peaceful transfer of power.   Did they bring weapons that usually constitute such an effort?   Did they run all of the people's representatives and take over?  Just how hard did they try.   Reminds of something Yoda said a long long time ago.  

mspart

[mspart]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

You'll get a lot more than you're bargaining for if you want to start something. I'll just put it that way. 

I'm glad you just put it that way.  Everyone is shaking in their crocs.  

mspart

[Boring]

3 minutes ago, mspart said:

How hard did they try?   did they leave when the police finally said it was time to go?   How serious were they in stopping the peaceful transfer of power.   Did they bring weapons that usually constitute such an effort?   Did they run all of the people's representatives and take over?  Just how hard did they try.   Reminds of something Yoda said a long long time ago.  

mspart

No, they in fact attacked police after being told to disperse. They broke into the capital building, smeared feces everywhere, and stole everything that wasn't nailed down (some even tried to sell a stolen laptop to the Chinese). Team Treason voted against confirming Biden, and Trump tried to bully Pence into sending everything to the states to re-elect the conman. What reality do you live in ?

 

[Boring]

9 minutes ago, jross said:

Was a chunk removed or was it a scratch?  Superficial wounds heal quickly and is plausible.  

I never saw a picture of his ear where it looked injured. I could be wrong, it happens occasionally. Never on wrestling though

[mspart]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

Trump has repeatedly violated the Constitution and is trying to be a dictator.

How hard is he trying?  What has he done that violated the Constitution as written?   This does not count Fed district court judges declaring anything that will get overturned like they have this week.     And this is not opinion, but fact.   If you want to speak facts please do so.   Your opinion means nothing.  If he is trying to be dictator, why is he not succeeding?   Why is he still beholden to the courts and the Congress?   I do not think these words mean what you think they mean. 

mspart

 

 

[jross]

2 minutes ago, Boring said:

If that's the only thing you can find to object to in my lengthy response then I'll have to assume you agree with me. 

Well you opened with nuance failure about progressives / open borders.  But sure...

You sidestepped whether progressive policies indirectly suppress wages. You blamed libertarians and companies but don’t answer the question. You admitted illegal workers keep costs low, yet ignored how they undercut citizens’ pay. Your ‘who else will do these jobs?’ assumes no one would, with no proof. And you dodge the issue by insulting uneducated workers.

Many words that Avoid.  Deflect.  Contradict. the core claim that progressive policy for lax border enforcement allows more illegal workers into the U.S., which suppresses wages for low-skill American citizens.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Boring said:

No, they in fact attacked police after being told to disperse. They broke into the capital building, smeared feces everywhere, and stole everything that wasn't nailed down (some even tried to sell a stolen laptop to the Chinese). Team Treason voted against confirming Biden, and Trump tried to bully Pence into sending everything to the states to re-elect the conman. What reality do you live in ?

 

How many of them were charged with insurrection?

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, jross said:

What is a critical thinkers framework to 2020 election being the most secure ever? Observe oddities, ask questions, seek answers...

Oddities

1. The Spanish flu pandemic saw a decrease in voters.  Yet the covid pandemic saw 23M more votes in 2020 compared to 2016, and more votes than the "most consequential election in U.S. history” 2024 vote.  
2. 19 states had no ID rules.  
3. Ballot harvesting is legal in some states
4. Counting was paused
5. Real people testified to problems that resulted in 60 court cases; mostly tossed on standing rather than merit.  Favorito's Georgia case (145K ballots) still lingers in 2025.
6. The Biden laptop suppression...
7. The "Cabal" steering outcomes... “Hundreds of millions” spent to change rules, influence media, and control info flow.
   1. The published article in the Times about "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign that saved the 2020 election."

You mentioned Dominion... okay

• The University of Michigan computer science professor J. Alex Halderman hacked the Dominion ImageCast X machine in multiple ways from seconds to minutes in front of government officials.

Now ask questions...

And seek answers...

 

You've given me every answer with this unhinged post.

"Seek answers?" Sure...

The 1st point is particularly stupid. Putting the "most consequential election in US History," as they said the same thing in 2020, but...yeah, you don't have answers. 

Not one legitimate point in there. Counting was paused. Yeah...it was 3AM and they were told they were going home and they'd start the next day...but you had Trump people throwing a tantrum saying "COUNT THE VOTE, COUNT THE VOTE," in one place and "STOP THE VOTE, STOP THE VOTE," where it didn't behoove them. 

 

People testified and we often got to see it. An old women who forgot she voted claiming someone stole her vote. 

 

Jesus it's depressing when the more reasonable(of an unreasonable) group are...this delusional. 

[mspart]

1 hour ago, Boring said:

No, they in fact attacked police after being told to disperse. They broke into the capital building, smeared feces everywhere, and stole everything that wasn't nailed down (some even tried to sell a stolen laptop to the Chinese). What reality do you live in ?

 

I have not heard of any of these things.   Smearing feces sounds like a real coup for sure.   That's what they always do rather than bring in guns and bombs and stuff.   Feces is more effective.  They stole everything that wasnn't locked down?   A little hyperbolic perhaps?   I know they attacked police but when told to leave finally, they did.   And police escorted them through the building.   That always happens in a coup attempt.   Every time!!   No one but one person was killed there that day and that was a protester.   The only other deaths that day were protesters in ill health.   There were others injured on both sides.   That sounds like a very impressive uprising.    Go home.   OK. 

mspart

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[scourge165]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

How hard did they try?   did they leave when the police finally said it was time to go?   How serious were they in stopping the peaceful transfer of power.   Did they bring weapons that usually constitute such an effort?   Did they run all of the people's representatives and take over?  Just how hard did they try.   Reminds of something Yoda said a long long time ago.  

mspart

It was as close as they've ever got.

It was a Mike Pence sentence away...and that's from the guy who says he's going to run again this year. 

 

Jan 6th should disgust you as people defend people attacking our capital.

How close Trump got to blocking Biden's certification of Joe Biden? Are people honestly of the impression that the people breaking into the capital was the only viable route to winning the election.

 

Just how hard did they try? Pretty hard.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/what-trump-asked-of-pence/

[mspart]

So hard that they failed.   You can be of the opinion that they tried, but they weren't organized enough to affect anything.   The destruction of property and assault on individuals disgusts me and those that did this should remain in jail.   I do not agree with their being pardoned.   But you are trying to put this demonstration and protest on the level of a coup that is actually trying to change the government and by any objective measure, that is  not what this was.  

mspart

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, jross said:

It wasn't fully rhetoric and it wasn't about Harris specifically.  The calm, clear-eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies.  It takes a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would be effective and efficient when moved to act.

You live in a fantasy where the Civil War plays out in this Country...which only makes the first post in this thread, that much more ironic. 

 

You think the Military is with you? You think they're going to turn their guns on American Citizens?
And then I always wonder...do you people really think you're the only one with guns?

I suppose if you live in a right wing bubble, you may believe that. 

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, jross said:

Yes like a 10 pound Jack Russel Terrier... hyper, loud, relentless, scrappy... and completely outmatched by the 200 pound Mastiff... sleeping through the noise until the line is crossed... then game over.  

Thankfully the Mastiffs have enormous patience.

This is amusing. Am I the 10 pound Jack Russel also?

You the big "Mastiff?"

 

I guess it's good I usually have at least my .45 on me then huh. If you're a big scary guy...

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[mspart]

Pew  https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

mspart

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

So hard that they failed.   You can be of the opinion that they tried, but they weren't organized enough to affect anything.   The destruction of property and assault on individuals disgusts me and those that did this should remain in jail.   I do not agree with their being pardoned.   But you are trying to put this demonstration and protest on the level of a coup that is actually trying to change the government and by any objective measure, that is  not what this was.  

mspart

The were organized that the GOP sent a SEPERATE SET OF ELECTORS from every State. Unconstitutional, but that hasn't stopped anything

 

Is that all it takes? 'Wasn't that big of a deal, they tried, but they failed.'

 

They were ONE Man away from changing the results of the elections. 

4 minutes ago, mspart said:

I do not agree with their being pardoned.   But you are trying to put this demonstration and protest on the level of a coup that is actually trying to change the government and by any objective measure, that is  not what this was.  

Would you kindly shut up about the protest for a moment and just read the link I gave you that shows the even more serious threat. Trump...in his shameless corruption trying to get himself certified?

It came down to which set of electors Pence accepted. The constitutional ones or the unconstitutional ones. 

 

You positive JD Vance will do the same this time? Especially if it's HIS election?

I mean, after all, there were ONLY two possible outcomes. 

 

Trump Wins-

Rigged-

He told his people that for over a year. One or the other. 

[Caveira]

@scourge165 @red viking @Boring

Y’all fit this video to a T

 

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, jross said:

I'm not starting anything, I'm sharing math.

No. You're just talking about it. Those "steely eye stoic..."

They'll be quick and efficient. I guess in an attempt to make a Civil War sound fnk poetic?

How many people here have seen violence? Not War, just violence where you see grey matter and a couple bodies

 

You morons talk tough, but if you ACTUALLY want to romanticize the idea of taking this to the streets...GREAT. Here's what will happen;

 

Mentally well people...we'll stay inside. We won't go looking to kill our neighbors because...what psycho does that(apparently you've had some fantasies about it as have many others, but...it seems foreign to me). 

 

The people like you, you'll start to see your friends dying in front of you. 

The Military SHOULD come in and clean thing up. And that would HOPEFULLY be the end of it. 

[scourge165]

14 minutes ago, Caveira said:

@scourge165 @red viking @Boring

Y’all fit this video to a T

 

Go back and read my first post to this post big guy.

 

And now who is fantasizing about a civil war?

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

Go back and read my first post to this post big guy.

 

And now who is fantasizing about a civil war?

I dunno boss.  I’m sure you do though.  Whom?

[scourge165]

19 minutes ago, mspart said:

Pew  https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

mspart

Oh...April 4 2017

Ok. Well....I've never registered with any party. You?

 

You don't even think it's...incredible how insane it is that we're even talking about this? How Jross is talking about the steely stoic man who will step... writing like a rip off Hunter S Thompson or a Tarantino Character. 

Anyone really think that's how it'll go do? Like a movie, right? Where only those bad guys lose while the side your on wins??

There's no "winning" a Civil War and even talking about one is...unbelievable. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

Oh...April 4 2017

Ok. Well....I've never registered with any party. You?

 

You don't even think it's...incredible how insane it is that we're even talking about this? How Jross is talking about the steely stoic man who will step... writing like a rip off Hunter S Thompson or a Tarantino Character. 

Anyone really think that's how it'll go do? Like a movie, right? Where only those bad guys lose while the side your on wins??

There's no "winning" a Civil War and even talking about one is...unbelievable. 

Maybe put the pipe down for a day or at least a few hours.  You’re a bit unhinged today.   

[scourge165]

20 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I'd hope not...

 

Well...I said I'd hope people wouldn't feel like that and then the author of the thread goes on to glorify the idea of a civil war where the "calm, clear-eyed stoics" eventually "move to violence." He sounds like the people who go and commit a mass shooting.

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It wasn't fully rhetoric and it wasn't about Harris specifically.  The calm, clear-eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies.  It takes a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would be effective and efficient when moved to act.

 

 

This and this thread is one of the most depressing things I've seen in a while. You started about how YOU and people of your political ilk had the moral high ground...and how quickly you came to this?

 

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Maybe put the pipe down for a day or at least a few hours.  You’re a bit unhinged today.   

Yeah...this is a CRAZY thing to say;

 

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There's no "winning" a Civil War and even talking about one is...unbelievable.