If you inadvertently obtain DOD Classified material, as a private citizen what is the proper protocol going forward??

[Caveira]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:20 PM, Paul158 said:

It's not that he got the info. It is all in how he handled the information once he got it. There is certain protocol on handling this material. You can't keep it. You can't share it. You must turn it over to the FBI. Isn't that violating the law as stated? Journalists do not have special classified information clearance.

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What if Goldberg or the others quickly become an elderly man with poor memory.  Maybe that can get them off the hook.  

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:18 PM, fishbane said:

Where does it say anything about the FBI in either section?  Goldberg clearly communicated with at least some government department before releasing the transcript. He said the name of a covert CIA agent was used in the chat and that he did not release that by request of the CIA.

There is likely a weak case that Goldberg violated either section, but it seems pretty cut and dry that the people sharing the information with Goldberg violated these.  How crazy would it be to try and prosecute Goldberg, but not the people who actually leaked the information to an unauthorized person in the first place?!?

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Being that Goldberg by name would be the last person on earth to be invited into a chat, how did he get invited? Being Goldberg would be the last person on earth that any of the people in the chat would even have his phone number, how did he get into the chat? Maybe the CIA guy can answer that.

[fishbane]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:20 PM, Paul158 said:

It's not that he got the info. It is all in how he handled the information once he got it. There is certain protocol on handling this material. You can't keep it. You can't share it. You must turn it over to the FBI. Isn't that violating the law as stated? Journalists do not have special classified information clearance.

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The exact section of US Code you want Goldberg prosecuted under every other person in the chat violated by sharing the information with him. Do you not agree? 

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18-793(d)

Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

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The individuals in the signal chat had lawful possession of the information and shared it with a person not entitled to receive it.  Could it be any more clear that they violated that?

I don't know why you keep bringing up the FBI neither section of law mentions it at all anywhere.  Goldberg contacted at least the CIA before publishing the transcripts.  I'm inclined to think he was more responsible with the sensitive information than the others.  Going after him and not the people who shared it with him in the first place is the stupidest suggestion I can think of.

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:25 PM, Caveira said:

What if Goldberg or the others quickly become an elderly man with poor memory.  Maybe that can get them off the hook.  

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That's a possibility. It's called the elderly poor memory card. There is already "standing" that it can be used.

[Le duke]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 PM, fishbane said:

Sounds like Goldberg would be an unauthorized person by the definition in USC 18-798.  Those that shared the information with him if classified better have a good lawyer.

They are all unauthorized to keep this information on their iPhones.

Any judge worth their salt would toss the charges unless everyone else is prosecuted, too.


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[1032004]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:28 PM, Paul158 said:

Being that Goldberg by name would be the last person on earth to be invited into a chat, how did he get invited? Being Goldberg would be the last person on earth that any of the people in the chat would even have his phone number, how did he get into the chat? Maybe the CIA guy can answer that.

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This is a joke, right?

[Le duke]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:20 PM, Paul158 said:

It's not that he got the info. It is all in how he handled the information once he got it. There is certain protocol on handling this material. You can't keep it. You can't share it. You must turn it over to the FBI. Isn't that violating the law as stated? Journalists do not have special classified information clearance.

Irony: you’re talking about people using Signal on iPhones and Androids while talking about proper handling of classified materials.


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[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:29 PM, fishbane said:

The exact section of US Code you want Goldberg prosecuted under every other person in the chat violated by sharing the information with him. Do you not agree? 

The individuals in the signal chat had lawful possession of the information and shared it with a person not entitled to receive it.  Could it be any more clear that they violated that?

I don't know why you keep bringing up the FBI neither section of law mentions it at all anywhere.  Goldberg contacted at least the CIA before publishing the transcripts.  I'm inclined to think he was more responsible with the sensitive information than the others.  Going after him and not the people who shared it with him in the first place is the stupidest suggestion I can think of.

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I only bring up the FBI because Jross mentioned it. Report it to the FBI if you have it. I know this is going to throw a monkey wrench into this, but I don't believe there was any classified information in the chat room. Goldberg and a huge number of people are saying there was. I am getting the feeling that Goldberg by name was never invited to the chat room. I don't believe anyone in the room even had his number. Goldberg is not very supportive of President Trump or his agenda. So according to Goldberg if it is classified, he along with others in the room could be in trouble. If Goldberg was in the room on false pretense, he alone would be in trouble according to the laws stated. It's sad that for all the success of the mission that it is getting overshadowed by this.

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:36 PM, Le duke said:

Irony: you’re talking about people using Signal on iPhones and Androids while talking about proper handling of classified materials.


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Weren't they issued cell phones (by the federal government) loaded with signal and advised on how to use them when they got into office. Are you saying the phones that the government gave them are unsecure. Towards the end of the meeting, I'm sure you saw where Hegseth had advised them to go to a more secure sight (upper level) for more info in their in boxes. Probably not his exact words. 

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 9:33 PM, 1032004 said:

This is a joke, right?

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Being he would be the last person on Earth to be invited into the chat room. Being a very liberal journalist which no one in the room liked. Maybe you can explain how he could have been invited by using his proper name. 

[Le duke]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:13 PM, Paul158 said:

Weren't they issued cell phones (by the federal government) loaded with signal and advised on how to use them when they got into office. Are you saying the phones that the government gave them are unsecure. Towards the end of the meeting, I'm sure you saw where Hegseth had advised them to go to a more secure sight (upper level) for more info in their in boxes. Probably not his exact words. 

Signal is not an authorized medium for SECRET or TOP SECRET data transmission.

They can talk about anything they want (like their thoughts on how to deal with the EU, for example) on Signal, as long as it is below SECRET.

They shared operational information. S// at a minimum, TS// when added together (aka, “Compilation”).


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[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/26/2025 at 6:22 PM, Paul158 said:

Are there legal rules in place for (private citizen) handling DOD classified information that has been acquired inadvertently?

What is the proper protocol for military and government employees for handling DOD classified information that they have acquired inadvertently?  

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I love that you assume these morons will do it again.

[Le duke]

This is pretty funny.





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[1032004]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:18 PM, Paul158 said:

Being he would be the last person on Earth to be invited into the chat room. Being a very liberal journalist which no one in the room liked. Maybe you can explain how he could have been invited by using his proper name. 

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Waltz invited him, this has been confirmed.  Most likely he was trying to invite someone else with the same initials.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:13 PM, Paul158 said:

Weren't they issued cell phones (by the federal government) loaded with signal and advised on how to use them when they got into office. Are you saying the phones that the government gave them are unsecure. Towards the end of the meeting, I'm sure you saw where Hegseth had advised them to go to a more secure sight (upper level) for more info in their in boxes. Probably not his exact words. 

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Yes they were. And the word is they did not use them instead at least some of them are said to have used personal cell phones.

The idea that Goldberg somehow hacked his way into a Signal group chat is some high level conspiracy theory stuff. Especially since Waltz has already admitted that he invited Goldberg to the chat.

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:37 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

I love that you assume these morons will do it again.

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Actually, I was wondering how a journalist can be handling what he deems as classified information. Especially when he doesn't have any clearance to handle classified information. I was curious why he didn't follow proper protocol once he had the classified information? How did he get into the group chat using his real name? Is this a common occurrence?

[1032004]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:51 PM, Paul158 said:

How did he get into the group chat using his real name? 

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Why do you keep asking this?  Do your own research 

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:49 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yes they were. And the word is they did not use them instead at least some of them are said to have used personal cell phones.

The idea that Goldberg somehow hacked his way into a Signal group chat is some high level conspiracy theory stuff. Especially since Waltz has already admitted that he invited Goldberg to the chat.

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I guess I missed that Waltz admitted he invited him. I think he took responsibility for it, but he doesn't exactly know how it happened. 

[1032004]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:54 PM, Paul158 said:

I guess I missed that Waltz admitted he invited him. I think he took responsibility for it, but he doesn't exactly know how it happened. 

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After the gibberish about it “getting sucked in” (lol), he acknowledges that “the person I thought was on the chat wasn’t”

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:52 PM, 1032004 said:

Why do you keep asking this?  Do your own research 

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Sure. I think I would deserve a raise if I could figure it out. Mistakes were made. Hopefully they will learn from it. I made a mistake one time.

[1032004]

Waltz is clearly lying about saying he never had Goldberg’s contact info of course

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:37 PM, Le duke said:

This is pretty funny.





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Thats about right.

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:59 PM, 1032004 said:

Waltz is clearly lying about saying he never had Goldberg’s contact info of course

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Evidently so. 

[Paul158]

  On 3/26/2025 at 10:25 PM, Le duke said:

 

Signal is not an authorized medium for SECRET or TOP SECRET data transmission.

They can talk about anything they want (like their thoughts on how to deal with the EU, for example) on Signal, as long as it is below SECRET.

They shared operational information. S// at a minimum, TS// when added together (aka, “Compilation”).


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So, Signal as far as security goes isn't much better than my cell phone with IM. Great.

[Caveira]

  On 3/26/2025 at 11:06 PM, Paul158 said:

So, Signal as far as security goes isn't much better than my cell phone with IM. Great.

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Doesn’t signal use aes-256 for encryption?