3 time champs, perfect record - when only 3 years allowed?

[AgaveMaria]

Reading the "who's the greatest" and "5 is better than 3 is better than 3" stuff I wondered how many of the 3 timers(when only 3 years was allowed) had perfect records?

I have no doubt Yojo Uetake would have a 4th title with no losses. Am more familiar with him - but not the others.

What other 3 timers had perfect records? All wins, not ties in there?

 

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

Reading the "who's the greatest" and "5 is better than 3 is better than 3" stuff I wondered how many of the 3 timers(when only 3 years was allowed) had perfect records?

I have no doubt Yojo Uetake would have a 4th title with no losses. Am more familiar with him - but not the others.

What other 3 timers had perfect records? All wins, not ties in there?

 

There were several.  Was easier to find when wrestlingstats.com worked but I'm sure Wkn will be along shortly. 

[Ohio Elite]

Dan Hodge?

[Fadzaev2]

44 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

Dan Hodge?

46-0  3 timer.

[funnyfletcher]

Bill Koll was 72-0

[Wrestleknownothing]

[Wrestleknownothing]

15 minutes ago, funnyfletcher said:

Bill Koll was 72-0

Most of those were freestyle. They used to wrestle NCAA and AAU back in the day.

[funnyfletcher]

19 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Most of those were freestyle. They used to wrestle NCAA and AAU back in the day.

I did not know that! Thanks for the info

[AgaveMaria]

Any you think would not have added a 4th title, given the chance?

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, funnyfletcher said:

I did not know that! Thanks for the info

Turns out it was 50/50. 

Koll won 3 matches in 1943 before leaving to fight in WWII where won the bronze star. Then returned to college and won 33 more in a row.

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

Any you think would not have added a 4th title, given the chance?

I am a glass half full kind of guy. 

[Fadzaev2]

11 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Most of those were freestyle. They used to wrestle NCAA and AAU back in the day.

He did win 3 NCAA titles and 3 National AAU tltles, but are you sure some of his 72 wins were freestyle?????  He also became the first wrestler to be named OW in the NCAA tournament.  His son, Rob wasn't too bad either.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Fadzaev2 said:

He did win 3 NCAA titles and 3 National AAU tltles, but are you sure some of his 72 wins were freestyle?????  He also became the first wrestler to be named OW in the NCAA tournament.  His son, Rob wasn't too bad either.

 

One can never be sure about old info, but the NWHOF has him listed at 36-0 all-time in NCAA matches, which also fits with the amount of wrestling they did in that era.

• In 1946 they have him 9-0. The NCAA wrestling guide shows the team as 5-0-1 in duals. Add in three NCAA matches and 9 adds up.
• In 1947 they have him 11-0. The NCAA wrestling guide shows the team as 5-0-2 in duals. Add in four NCAA matches and 11 adds up.
• In 1948 they have him 13-0. I have not located the NCAA wrestling guide for that year, but based on the prior two, I will guess it is accurate.

[Fadzaev2]

50 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

One can never be sure about old info, but the NWHOF has him listed at 36-0 all-time in NCAA matches, which also fits with the amount of wrestling they did in that era.

• In 1946 they have him 9-0. The NCAA wrestling guide shows the team as 5-0-1 in duals. Add in three NCAA matches and 9 adds up.
• In 1947 they have him 11-0. The NCAA wrestling guide shows the team as 5-0-2 in duals. Add in four NCAA matches and 11 adds up.
• In 1948 they have him 13-0. I have not located the NCAA wrestling guide for that year, but based on the prior two, I will guess it is accurate.

Maybe WKN knows something!!!  lol

[verdad]

Freestyle rules were used only in 1948. They were used only in the NCAA tournament itself.

[Wrestleknownothing]

17 minutes ago, verdad said:

Freestyle rules were used only in 1948. They were used only in the NCAA tournament itself.

Yes, I love this quote I found in the only 2 pages of the guide I could locate from that season:

The 18th annual National Collegiate Wrestling Championships were held at Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa., Friday and Saturday, March 19 and 20, 1948.

Unlike the usual tournaments, Olympic Rules were used and both contestants and spectators were greatly confused over the technicalities. However, the tournament was witnessed by capacity crowds and after the Friday sessions much of the difficulties were straightened out and Saturday's finals went along on scheduled time. It is the consensus of opinion of all concerned that a much better tournament would have been had under our American rules.

However, after the final Olympic Tryouts it was the general opinion that the tournament under Olympic rules was a help to the college men and officials. The experience was worth while for the contestants and officials. Olympic weight classes as well as rules were used. A clinic for officials was held the evening of the 18th of March.

[jchapman]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yes, I love this quote I found in the only 2 pages of the guide I could locate from that season:

The 18th annual National Collegiate Wrestling Championships were held at Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa., Friday and Saturday, March 19 and 20, 1948.

Unlike the usual tournaments, Olympic Rules were used and both contestants and spectators were greatly confused over the technicalities. However, the tournament was witnessed by capacity crowds and after the Friday sessions much of the difficulties were straightened out and Saturday's finals went along on scheduled time. It is the consensus of opinion of all concerned that a much better tournament would have been had under our American rules.

However, after the final Olympic Tryouts it was the general opinion that the tournament under Olympic rules was a help to the college men and officials. The experience was worth while for the contestants and officials. Olympic weight classes as well as rules were used. A clinic for officials was held the evening of the 18th of March.

I cant imagine what a circus that was.

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, jchapman said:

I cant imagine what a circus that was.

Amen. Imagine having to explain the rules to the refs the day before the tournament?

[Phantom]

Poor TJ Williams.  So close...

[11986]

58 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Poor TJ Williams.  So close...

funny I was thinking of him as well, even though he didn't wrestle in the 3 years only era. The late Larry Quisel denied TJ that 3 year soph - senior unbeaten run.  

[Phantom]

15 minutes ago, 11986 said:

funny I was thinking of him as well, even though he didn't wrestle in the 3 years only era. The late Larry Quisel denied TJ that 3 year soph - senior unbeaten run.  

Pretty sure only 3 years of competing and lost Jr. year...?

[Elevator]

Dick DiBatista - undefeated and 2x champ.  Not permitted to compete as freshman and NCAA's cancelled for WWII one year.   The guy who he beat the first time apparently was older and an AAU champ and was so pissed he came after Dibi in the showers.  Dibi said that he did not engage and others intervened.   

Edited Tuesday at 08:37 PM by Elevator

[Wrestleknownothing]

I still struggle with Kueter vs Keuter

[ionel]

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Amen. Imagine having to explain the rules to the refs the day before the tournament?

I feel this would be a good thing every year. 

[11986]

2 hours ago, Phantom said:

Poor TJ Williams.  So close...

 

1 hour ago, 11986 said:

funny I was thinking of him as well, even though he didn't wrestle in the 3 years only era. The late Larry Quisel denied TJ that 3 year soph - senior unbeaten run.  

 

1 hour ago, Phantom said:

Pretty sure only 3 years of competing and lost Jr. year...?

TJ wrestled freshman year at a juco, then 3 for Iowa. Yes, his only loss as a Hawkeye was his junior year.