Trump pressures foreign country to go easy on sex traffickers

[Tripnsweep]

https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27

These two guys are the scum of the earth. They went to Romania because they thought it'd be easier to prey on vulnerable people and that the police are easier to bribe. Trump apparently thinks USAID money going to help improve their judiciary is "woke" because they ended up targeting two of his big supporters online. I hope Romania tells them off and locks these two asshats up for 20 years. 

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27

These two guys are the scum of the earth. They went to Romania because they thought it'd be easier to prey on vulnerable people and that the police are easier to bribe. Trump apparently thinks USAID money going to help improve their judiciary is "woke" because they ended up targeting two of his big supporters online. I hope Romania tells them off and locks these two asshats up for 20 years. 

We're rapidly becoming an extremely corrupt country, at warp speed. There was always some of this, but diaper boy is taking it to the next level by OPENLY giving his loyalists drastic favors based only upon their loyalty, such as pardoning them, appointing them as heads of federal agencies, and even letting them run the country (eg President Musk). 

[Tripnsweep]

So where's all the people who are against sex traffickers? 

[red viking]

10 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

So where's all the people who are against sex traffickers? 

The ends justify the means for the wingers nowadays. There's zero morality; win at all costs. Screw the Constitution. They suddenly don't care much about the deficit anymore either. Notice that? 

Then they'll suddenly re-gain their morals when we have a Democratic President and be constantly talking about proper checks and balances, and the deficit. 

The hypocrisy of the right at it again. 

[Bigbrog]

[Caveira]

51 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

So where's all the people who are against sex traffickers? 

Do you remember when I asked you if you were outraged that Brandon Johnson in Chicago who refused to deport a convicted (in Chicago) sex offender illegal alien.  I’ll bet you do.   I think you said it’s not his job to enforce the law.  
 

Your caring is selective and solely politically motivated.   Save the rah rah boss.  

Edited Tuesday at 03:28 PM by Caveira

[1032004]

These guys are complete dbags, but I haven’t followed the case, they are technically still just “alleged” sex traffickers right?

[red viking]

17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Do you remember when I asked you if you were outraged that Brandon Johnson in Chicago who refused to deport a convicted (in Chicago) sex offender illegal alien.  I’ll bet you do.   I think you said it’s not his job to enforce the law.  
 

Your caring is selective and solely politically motivated.   Save the rah rah boss.  

This is absolutely amazing. You're dismissing something the President did because a mayor in Chicago did something that you claim is similar (which it isn't). Not only is this "whataboutism," but you're comparing the actions of a President to a mayor that most of us have never even heard of. Pathetic!!!!

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

These guys are complete dbags, but I haven’t followed the case, they are technically still just “alleged” sex traffickers right?

Romania has different laws regarding this. Here, they'd be held in custody. In Romania they were allowed to be on house arrest. The thing is, if these guys are allowed to leave, they're not coming back. That's why they're trying to get their passports back, just to bolt and never come back to face the consequences. They probably are guilty of something, and would probably go to prison there. But if they leave, Romanian authorities can't do much. 

I can't recall a sitting president trying to intervene on behalf of actual sex traffickers before. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Romania has different laws regarding this. Here, they'd be held in custody. In Romania they were allowed to be on house arrest. The thing is, if these guys are allowed to leave, they're not coming back. That's why they're trying to get their passports back, just to bolt and never come back to face the consequences. They probably are guilty of something, and would probably go to prison there. But if they leave, Romanian authorities can't do much. 

I can't recall a sitting president trying to intervene on behalf of actual sex traffickers before. 

Sure.  Here criminals are always totally prosecuted.  Never to let go free.  No cash bail?   lol.   Probably isn’t a thing other than your opinion.  

[mspart]

5 hours ago, red viking said:

This is absolutely amazing. You're dismissing something the President did because a mayor in Chicago did something that you claim is similar (which it isn't). Not only is this "whataboutism," but you're comparing the actions of a President to a mayor that most of us have never even heard of. Pathetic!!!!

No, he was pointing out your selective outrage.   If these guys are sex offenders, they should be prosecuted.   Where is the outrage for sex offenders masquerading as doctors who want to butcher youth for money, teachers that groom these kids to think that they may need surgery or puberty blockers, school systems that won't tell parents what is going on with their kids.  Selective outrage indeed.   And that is not a what about ism.   That is exactly what voters rejected in the last election. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/democrats-dishonest-gender-conversation-2024-election/680604/

One of the mysteries of this election is how the Democrats approached polling day with a set of policies on gender identity that they were neither proud to champion—nor prepared to disown.

Although most Americans agree that transgender people should not face discrimination in housing and employment, there is nowhere near the same level of support for allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports—which is why Donald Trump kept bringing up the issue. His campaign also barraged swing-state voters and sports fans with ads reminding them that Kamala Harris had previously supported taxpayer-funded gender-reassignment surgery for prisoners. The commercials were effective: The New York Times reported that Future Forward, a pro-Harris super PAC, found that one ad “shifted the race 2.7 percentage points in Mr. Trump’s favor after viewers watched it.” The Harris campaign mostly avoided the subject.

Since the election, reports of dissent from this strategy have begun to trickle out. Bill Clinton reportedly raised the alarm about letting the attacks go unanswered, but was ignored. After Harris’s loss, Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts went on the record with his concerns. “I have two little girls, I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that,” he told the Times. The recriminations go as far as the White House, where allies of Joe Biden told my colleague Franklin Foer that the current president would have countered Trump’s ads more aggressively, and “clearly rejected the idea of trans women competing in women’s sports.”

mspart

[Scouts Honor]

we are right here... talking about the border with all the sex traffickers that you want to allow 

[red viking]

11 minutes ago, mspart said:

No, he was pointing out your selective outrage.   If these guys are sex offenders, they should be prosecuted.   Where is the outrage for sex offenders masquerading as doctors who want to butcher youth for money, teachers that groom these kids to think that they may need surgery or puberty blockers, school systems that won't tell parents what is going on with their kids.  Selective outrage indeed.   And that is not a what about ism.   That is exactly what voters rejected in the last election. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/democrats-dishonest-gender-conversation-2024-election/680604/

One of the mysteries of this election is how the Democrats approached polling day with a set of policies on gender identity that they were neither proud to champion—nor prepared to disown.

Although most Americans agree that transgender people should not face discrimination in housing and employment, there is nowhere near the same level of support for allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports—which is why Donald Trump kept bringing up the issue. His campaign also barraged swing-state voters and sports fans with ads reminding them that Kamala Harris had previously supported taxpayer-funded gender-reassignment surgery for prisoners. The commercials were effective: The New York Times reported that Future Forward, a pro-Harris super PAC, found that one ad “shifted the race 2.7 percentage points in Mr. Trump’s favor after viewers watched it.” The Harris campaign mostly avoided the subject.

Since the election, reports of dissent from this strategy have begun to trickle out. Bill Clinton reportedly raised the alarm about letting the attacks go unanswered, but was ignored. After Harris’s loss, Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts went on the record with his concerns. “I have two little girls, I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that,” he told the Times. The recriminations go as far as the White House, where allies of Joe Biden told my colleague Franklin Foer that the current president would have countered Trump’s ads more aggressively, and “clearly rejected the idea of trans women competing in women’s sports.”

mspart

Wow, so we're comparing a person that rapes and kidnaps/holds women against their will for sex trafficking to teachers that tell kids its OK to have a sex change or doctors that provide transgender services (very rare and almost all of those are chest-related anyway) for teens? WOW!!!!!!!

 

[mspart]

27 minutes ago, red viking said:

Wow, so we're comparing a person that rapes and kidnaps/holds women against their will for sex trafficking to teachers that tell kids its OK to have a sex change or doctors that provide transgender services (very rare and almost all of those are chest-related anyway) for teens? WOW!!!!!!!

 

You have to read RV.   That helps.   I said, the sex traffickers need to be prosecuted.   Apparently you don't think that butchers of youth should be prosecuted, or at the very least they are trafficking in sex predation.  It's good to know where everyone stands on these issues.   Selective outrage is what you are handing out. 

mspart

[1032004]

4 hours ago, mspart said:

No, he was pointing out your selective outrage.   If these guys are sex offenders, they should be prosecuted.   Where is the outrage for sex offenders masquerading as doctors who want to butcher youth for money, teachers that groom these kids to think that they may need surgery or puberty blockers, school systems that won't tell parents what is going on with their kids. 

Lol nice whataboutism.  I believe the point of @Tripnsweep’s post is calling out the Trump admin for reportedly trying to get these guys freed while they are actively facing actual sex offense charges.  Did the Biden admin ever do that?

[Tripnsweep]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Lol nice whataboutism.  I believe the point of @Tripnsweep’s post is calling out the Trump admin for reportedly trying to get these guys freed while they are actively facing actual sex offense charges.  Did the Biden admin ever do that?

These guys are the scum of the earth. I bet if they supported somebody other than Trump or had a different message that didn't align with Trump's values, he'd probably laugh at their misfortune on Twitter. Instead because they support him and encourage their basement dwelling followers to vote for Trump, he's trying to use his authority to help them avoid consequences of being criminals. 

[red viking]

Right and wrong doesn't matter to the wingers, one bit. You're either loyal to diaper boy or not. That's all that matters. 

[Bigbrog]

Man you guys are whacko's!

I have become obsessed with watching these FB reels of this group of guys that catch child pedo's and smack the crap out of them...sometimes beating them bloody...these sicko's getting exactly what they deserve!!  I wish a group would do that where I live as I'd seriously think about joining it.

[mspart]

If they did sex trafficking, they should face the consequences like I've said and you guys ignore.   But the butchering of youth's bodies seems to be ok with all y'all and you say I am diverting the conversation.   I don't see much of a difference.   Both are making money by sexually exploiting youth. 

mspart

[red viking]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

If they did sex trafficking, they should face the consequences like I've said and you guys ignore.   But the butchering of youth's bodies seems to be ok with all y'all and you say I am diverting the conversation.   I don't see much of a difference.   Both are making money by sexually exploiting youth. 

mspart

One is legal, by request, EXTREMELY rare (beyond maybe breast reduction for boys) and done by a doctor instead of being done for somebody's sexual gratification. WOW if you can't see the difference. Just WOW. 

[mspart]

Just wow right back.   Cutting off perfectly good body parts is beastly.   Permanent dis-figuration.   Obviously you are ok with this, but yell about other forms of sexual predation.   And are we seriously back to the "happens very rarely" argument?   That has been debunked numerous times and each time the butchery has been done. 

https://nypost.com/2024/10/08/us-news/over-5700-americans-under-18-had-trans-surgery-from-2019-23/

A new national database maps gender-affirming care for minors, listing where children are getting puberty blockers, hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment surgery — and calls out some of the nation’s most notorious providers.

Researchers were able to identify a total of 13,994 minors across the United States who received medical treatment for gender dysphoria over the course of four years. Shockingly, over 5,700 of those kids were operated on.

So close to 15k kids were essentially sterilized.   These are minors who can't make such life altering decisions based on brain development.   It should be so rare that zero minors are subjected to this.  That would be extremely rare. 

mspart

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

Just wow right back.   Cutting off perfectly good body parts is beastly.   Permanent dis-figuration.   Obviously you are ok with this, but yell about other forms of sexual predation.   And are we seriously back to the "happens very rarely" argument?   That has been debunked numerous times and each time the butchery has been done. 

https://nypost.com/2024/10/08/us-news/over-5700-americans-under-18-had-trans-surgery-from-2019-23/

A new national database maps gender-affirming care for minors, listing where children are getting puberty blockers, hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment surgery — and calls out some of the nation’s most notorious providers.

Researchers were able to identify a total of 13,994 minors across the United States who received medical treatment for gender dysphoria over the course of four years. Shockingly, over 5,700 of those kids were operated on.

So close to 15k kids were essentially sterilized.   These are minors who can't make such life altering decisions based on brain development.   It should be so rare that zero minors are subjected to this.  That would be extremely rare. 

mspart

You should slow down. Even if this is true, which I have to doubt to some extent since it's from the garbage NY Post, you should look at what the 5,700 "operations" were. I would bet anything that almost or all of them were things like breast reductions and almost all the interventions were reversible. 

I think your big concern here is boys getting their genitals removed or girls getting their vaginas removed, right? I would need to see some data to believe that there's even ANY of this going on but I can guarantee that it is EXTREMELY rare in this country. 

That being said, I agree with with you that this is wrong and should't be legal. Not a huge issue for me though if it's super rare, just like late-term abortions of perfectly healthy babies. The wingers like to believe the horror stories from Fox News, Breitbart and NY Post without any data to back it up. 

[mspart]

15 minutes ago, red viking said:

That being said, I agree with with you that this is wrong and should't be legal.

We agree on something finally.   Who'da thunkit?

 

mspart

[red viking]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

We agree on something finally.   Who'da thunkit?

 

mspart

Actually, many democrats agree that late term abortions of healthy fetuses with healthy moms, as well as castration of teenage boys, should be illegal. The difference is that they realize it is extremely rare to non existent and therefore a red herring. Wingers think these are both rampant, based upon crap they read on breitbart and hear on fox.  

Edited yesterday at 12:22 AM by red viking

[1032004]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

Just wow right back.   Cutting off perfectly good body parts is beastly.   Permanent dis-figuration.   Obviously you are ok with this, but yell about other forms of sexual predation.   And are we seriously back to the "happens very rarely" argument?   That has been debunked numerous times and each time the butchery has been done. 

https://nypost.com/2024/10/08/us-news/over-5700-americans-under-18-had-trans-surgery-from-2019-23/

A new national database maps gender-affirming care for minors, listing where children are getting puberty blockers, hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment surgery — and calls out some of the nation’s most notorious providers.

Researchers were able to identify a total of 13,994 minors across the United States who received medical treatment for gender dysphoria over the course of four years. Shockingly, over 5,700 of those kids were operated on.

So close to 15k kids were essentially sterilized.   These are minors who can't make such life altering decisions based on brain development.   It should be so rare that zero minors are subjected to this.  That would be extremely rare. 

mspart

C’mon man, I am against trans surgeries for minors too, but the doctors performing them aren’t sex offenders.