Scott Goodale

[KennyEBHS]

The BIG announcers always talk about what a great job Scott Goodale is doing at Rutgers. Really? He has the pick of the litter from New Jersey high schools (NJ is second to PA), yet he is still barely in the middle of the pack in BIG and only has two national champs and only one was homegrown.

[feet2back]

two national champs and only one was homegrown

at least get your facts straight Professor before bashing a Coach

Ashnault from South Plainfield , NJ

Suriano from Paramus, NJ

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[Mr. PeanutButter]

3 minutes ago, feet2back said:

two national champs and only one was homegrown

at least get your facts straight Professor before bashing a Coach

Ashnault from South Plainfield , NJ

Suriano from Paramus, NJ

 

I think he means 1 national champ started and ended his career at RU. 

[KennyEBHS]

27 minutes ago, feet2back said:

two national champs and only one was homegrown

at least get your facts straight Professor before bashing a Coach

Ashnault from South Plainfield , NJ

Suriano from Paramus, NJ

 

This is a forum. I stated my opinion. And I know the history of both their national champs.

[666]

1 hour ago, KennyEBHS said:

The BIG announcers always talk about what a great job Scott Goodale is doing at Rutgers. Really? He has the pick of the litter from New Jersey high schools (NJ is second to PA), yet he is still barely in the middle of the pack in BIG and only has two national champs and only one was homegrown.

Not to mention a guy who won a title for him did so at the age of, what was it, 26?  Oh, obviously not talking about Suriano

As for Goodale, he's not going to get the cream of the crop recruits. Those guys are going to places like PSU, Iowa, and Ohio State. The best Goodale can do is capture lightning in a bottle, somebody that nobody assessed as a world beater coming out of HS. Plus, mid-tier in the Big 10 is pretty damned good. 

Edited Sunday at 09:11 PM by 666

[billyhoyle]

Rutgers being middle of the pack in the B1G is impressive. We are talking about Rutgers. If you are a great wrestler (or athlete in any sport) it's amazing that Rutgers would even be considered with PSU and Ohio State being right there.  Have you been to New Brunswick?

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, KennyEBHS said:

He has the pick of the litter from New Jersey high schools

You do realize that he doesn't pick who wrestlers for him? It's actually the opposite.. 

Before Goodale arrived, they had a total of 6 one time All-Americans and 1 two-time AA in a span of over 50 years.

During the Goodale they have had:

4x AA and National Champion Anthony Ashnault

2x AA Anthony Perrotti

2x AA and National Champion Nick Suriano *while at Rutgers*

2x AA Sebastian Rivera *while at Rutgers*

1x AA Greg Bulsak

1x AA Ben Liss

1x AA Yaraslau Slovikouski

1x AA Dylan Shawver

1x AA Jon Poznanski

1x AA Jackson Turley

 

 

 

[burgerman]

I suppose you are not happy with Doug Schwab or Neil Erisman either? Both of them have their teams in the middle of their conference standings. 

[KennyEBHS]

15 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Rutgers being middle of the pack in the B1G is impressive. We are talking about Rutgers. If you are a great wrestler (or athlete in any sport) it's amazing that Rutgers would even be considered with PSU and Ohio State being right there.  Have you been to New Brunswick?

I am from East Brunswick and know New Brunswick well.

[BloodRound]

15 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Have you been to New Brunswick?

Great city.  I will be there on Friday!

14 hours ago, BruceyB said:

1x AA Ben Liss

Ben wrestled for the club team, which is NWCA affiliated.  I wrestled for them too, and there is not much crossover with the actual D1 team.  That being said, he was pretty damn good!

16 hours ago, KennyEBHS said:

Really?

Eh, I see what you mean.  As someone who sees no end to his frustrating love of RU Wrestling, the progress that has been made has come at a rather ... glacial pace.  At this point, I would rather Goodale stopped giving his "high expectations" speech when media day rolls around every preseason.  The win over Illinois was certainly nice, but it doesn't mean you don't give the same fire to Minnesota the next week.  Consistency as a dual team is what the program struggles with most (which is crazy, considering Goodale loves duals).

BUT - as previously mentioned in this forum, we are not getting the best of the best in Jersey.  When we have, it has sadly blown up in our face more than it hasn't (see: Camplottano, Glasgow, Aragona).  The success stories we have had with some our AA's shows that we have developed some real diamonds in the rough (Shawver, Perrotti, Theobold, etc.),  but have yet to really develop any blue chipper types into world beaters like upper echelon of the B1G have. 

What can be done to change this?  I don't think the issues of a distracting location (aka Jersey's proximity to NYC, beaches, etc.) can be so easily rectified; that is what it is.  I have always thought that creating a pipeline outside of the Garden State would be the most beneficial to the program, and I think we will start to see that as that appears to be where the program is headed.  The issue with having an all-NJ room used to be that these guys all wrestled each other for years, and only really trained to beat one another.  In terms of coaching, I think the move for RU now should be find that assistant who can learn the administrative/promotional end that Goodale has gotten down pat.  They did drop the ball with that on Pritzlaff, but finding even younger blood than that might be what the program needs in the end.

[Mike]

Also, RU absolutely doesn't get the pick of the litter from NJ high schools since places like Delbarton refuse to send anyone to RU and they are the best program in the state. Plus, NJ is an overall wealthy state and has one of the best education systems in the country so many of the top guys want to go the Ivy route and end working in consulting or in Finance so RU constantly loses elite guys to the likes of Cornell, UPenn, and Princeton.

[nhs67]

Anyone else anticipating a *BOOM* post on Twatter?

I'm not, but many are.

[nhs67]

I hope someone else commits today or early tomorrow so he gets to post it, just so folks lose their minds about Bo.

[BobB]

1 hour ago, BloodRound said:

I have always thought that creating a pipeline outside of the Garden State would be the most beneficial to the program, and I think we will start to see that as that appears to be where the program is headed.  The issue with having an all-NJ room used to be that these guys all wrestled each other for years, and only really trained to beat one another. 

This is a good point.  Landing Bo Bassett would be a significant marker, maybe more than the first NCAA champion.  They should offer the father a position.  He seems to have success.

 

[manatree]

17 hours ago, BruceyB said:

You do realize that he doesn't pick who wrestlers for him? It's actually the opposite.. 

Before Goodale arrived, they had a total of 6 one time All-Americans and 1 two-time AA in a span of over 50 years.

During the Goodale they have had:

4x AA and National Champion Anthony Ashnault

2x AA Anthony Perrotti

2x AA and National Champion Nick Suriano *while at Rutgers*

2x AA Sebastian Rivera *while at Rutgers*

1x AA Greg Bulsak

1x AA Ben Liss

1x AA Yaraslau Slovikouski

1x AA Dylan Shawver

1x AA Jon Poznanski

1x AA Jackson Turley

 

 

 

 

This. If you look at. what Rutgers wrestling before he took over, it is very impressive. He has also done a great job with building their fan base. Go back and look at attendance rankings, they’ve been putting higher ranked programs to shame.

[1032004]

27 minutes ago, BobB said:

This is a good point.  Landing Bo Bassett would be a significant marker, maybe more than the first NCAA champion.  They should offer the father a position.  He seems to have success.

 

They probably did, but doubt that gets him to commit there.  Minnow did say pretty definitively that he’s not going to Rutgers and I think he does have actual contacts there

[Dogbone]

Not to pick on Rutgers, but couldn't the same critique  be made about every sport Rutgers competes in?? 

For whatever reason, they aren't a power player  in anything.   Goodale might run the most successful program in the entire athletic department?   Football, Basketball, Baseball all would love to have a top ten finish in the NCAAs, be middle of the pack of the most dominate conference and be known as one of the better home environments in the nation.

[Mike]

3 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Not to pick on Rutgers, but couldn't the same critique  be made about every sport Rutgers competes in?? 

For whatever reason, they aren't a power player  in anything.   Goodale might run the most successful program in the entire athletic department?   Football, Basketball, Baseball all would love to have a top ten finish in the NCAAs, be middle of the pack of the most dominate conference and be known as one of the better home environments in the nation.

100% These issues impact\effect all programs at RU unfortunately, especially with students athletes from NJ.

[666]

2 hours ago, KennyEBHS said:

I am from East Brunswick and know New Brunswick well.

Well you know the old saying: "New Brunswick, just like the other Brunswick, except cleaner". 

[1032004]

2 hours ago, Mike said:

Also, RU absolutely doesn't get the pick of the litter from NJ high schools since places like Delbarton refuse to send anyone to RU and they are the best program in the state. 

They refuse?  Why?

[KennyEBHS]

4 hours ago, Mike said:

Also, RU absolutely doesn't get the pick of the litter from NJ high schools since places like Delbarton refuse to send anyone to RU and they are the best program in the state. Plus, NJ is an overall wealthy state and has one of the best education systems in the country so many of the top guys want to go the Ivy route and end working in consulting or in Finance so RU constantly loses elite guys to the likes of Cornell, UPenn, and Princeton.

If RU hired someone like David Taylor, they would have the pick of the litter.

[BloodRound]

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

They refuse?  Why?

I am not sure if refuse is the word I'd pick, but most kids who get waved an Ivy League education in their face are not going to turn it down for Rutgers (which is the case for a lot of these Delbarton kids)

4 hours ago, Dogbone said:

For whatever reason, they aren't a power player  in anything.

I think the environment is far too distracting to expect kids to fully invest their energy into athletics.  At the same time though, it is a big part of its draw for students who see a career after athletics are done.  Slavikouski has consistently spoken in interviews about how Rutgers's business school is ideal for his aspirations after wrestling with it being so close to New York City.

[feet2back]

22 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Rutgers being middle of the pack in the B1G is impressive. We are talking about Rutgers. If you are a great wrestler (or athlete in any sport) it's amazing that Rutgers would even be considered with PSU and Ohio State being right there.  Have you been to New Brunswick?

I guess you don't follow sports much. Just last year Rutgers Basketball landed 2 of the Top 4 recruits in USA. 2 Guaranteed NBA Lottery picks

Edited 7 hours ago by feet2back

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, feet2back said:

I guess you don't follow sports much.

Rutgers has made it into the bracket twice in the last 30 years and has 1 win at the tournament in the last 40. But go on.