What happened to Coleman Scott at Ohio State?

[666]

4 hours ago, Greenwave said:

He should be the next coach at Wisconsin.     
 

Taylor and OSU treated him wrong.

I don't know how Taylor could be blamed for anything. Coleman has a right to a grudge against OSU though since he was the unofficial coach in waiting. 

I'd love to see Scott get the job at Wisconsin. The Badgers deserve better than they have right now.  Badger fans would be yoked over it. 

[flyingcement]

3 minutes ago, 666 said:

I don't know how Taylor could be blamed for anything. Coleman has a right to a grudge against OSU though since he was the unofficial coach in waiting. 

I'd love to see Scott get the job at Wisconsin. The Badgers deserve better than they have right now.  Badger fans would be yoked over it. 

Being the most likely candidate does not mean earning the job.  I like Scott, but I feel like it's a little bit of entitlement mentality to say he should have been given it because of XYZ.  We can put ourselves in the best position to succeed, but it does not entitle us to success (in my opinion).  I'm rooting for him, but I'm not sure that he was necessarily wronged by anyone.

[ionel]

13 minutes ago, 666 said:

 unofficial coach in waiting. 

says who?

[666]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

says who?

Bob. 

[666]

12 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Being the most likely candidate does not mean earning the job.  I like Scott, but I feel like it's a little bit of entitlement mentality to say he should have been given it because of XYZ.  We can put ourselves in the best position to succeed, but it does not entitle us to success (in my opinion).  I'm rooting for him, but I'm not sure that he was necessarily wronged by anyone.

I think traditionally the assistant head coach is considered, at least, a very strong favorite as a potential new HC if the old coach retires or takes another position. Scott had reason to think he was that guy, and I think it was implied that he would be the next guy. On the other hand OSU has a right to do whatever they think is necessary and John Smith retiring opened up a tremendous opportunity to land David Taylor. Taylor has done a great job and I don't think there's any doubt OSU is a lot better than they'd have been if Smith had hung around or if they'd hired Scott. They got several elite transfers they'd have never gotten otherwise. 

Still, I think Scott will probably get a HC job somewhere else. He's already shown how good he was before. 

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, 666 said:

I think traditionally the assistant head coach is considered, at least, a very strong favorite as a potential new HC if the old coach retires or takes another position. Scott had reason to think he was that guy, and I think it was implied that he would be the next guy. On the other hand OSU has a right to do whatever they think is necessary and John Smith retiring opened up a tremendous opportunity to land David Taylor. Taylor has done a great job and I don't think there's any doubt OSU is a lot better than they'd have been if Smith had hung around or if they'd hired Scott. They got several elite transfers they'd have never gotten otherwise. 

Still, I think Scott will probably get a HC job somewhere else. He's already shown how good he was before. 

Has OSU ever in its storied history hired an assistant to be head coach?

[666]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Has OSU ever in its storied history hired an assistant to be head coach?

If I had to guess, and I'd have to guess, I'd say Myron Wodewick. Sorry, couldn't resist. Myron Roderick, maybe Tom Chesbro? Maybe John Smith?

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, 666 said:

If I had to guess, and I'd have to guess, I'd say Myron Wodewick. Sorry, couldn't resist. Myron Roderick, maybe Tom Chesbro? Maybe John Smith?

Roderick and Smith came straight from international Olympic competition.  I don't remember on Chesbro but don't believe he was an assistant.  Want to try again? 

[1032004]

15 minutes ago, ionel said:

Has OSU ever in its storied history hired an assistant to be head coach?

True, their last 2 hires had zero NCAA coaching experience.   Maybe they’re onto something here…

[666]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

Roderick and Smith came straight from international Olympic competition.  I don't remember on Chesbro but don't believe he was an assistant.  Want to try again? 

That's all the ones I know about except Seay and this dude. 

[666]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

True, their last 2 hires had zero NCAA coaching experience.   Maybe they’re onto something here…

I'd say they might've been on to something if they'd been winning NCAA titles all those years. 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, 666 said:

That's all the ones I know about except Seay and this dude. 

Seay came from this Cal State Bakersfield and ^^^ this ^^ guy ... no idea.  You only have room other options.  

[okokzach]

42 minutes ago, 666 said:

Taylor has done a great job and I don't think there's any doubt OSU is a lot better than they'd have been if Smith had hung around or if they'd hired Scott. They got several elite transfers they'd have never gotten otherwise. 

 

The transfers all (with maybe the exception of Amine) committed to OSU well before Taylor was hired. You're just talking out of your ___

[1032004]

7 hours ago, 666 said:

I'd say they might've been on to something if they'd been winning NCAA titles all those years. 

Smith won 5, not too shabby 

[666]

On 1/14/2025 at 9:41 PM, jchapman said:

even New Jersey?

Especially NJ. 

[666]

24 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Smith won 5, not too shabby 

Not too shabby, but none for the last 18 years, and OSU was consistently declining almost the entirety of that time. 

[666]

8 hours ago, okokzach said:

 

The transfers all (with maybe the exception of Amine) committed to OSU well before Taylor was hired. You're just talking out of your ___

David Taylor was hired on May 6, 2024. Hendrickson announced committing to OSU on May 19., 2024. May 27. 2024 Dean Hamiti announced he was committing to OSU. May 24, 2024 Cam Amine committed to OSU. The only guy who had committed to OSU prior to them hiring Taylor was Caleb Fish and I wouldn't be surprised if Fish somehow got wind that OSU was hiring Taylor. Maybe Taylor himself told him, but I think Fish probably just wanted out of MSU at to be at a major program. 

You were saying somebody was talking out their ass?  There's a thing called "the internet" where you can dig up information like that in about 10 seconds, you should try it sometime. 

Edited Thursday at 01:51 PM by 666

[pokemonster]

On 1/14/2025 at 2:20 PM, ionel said:

Yes they live in Oklahoma.  Why would you live in Ohio if you don't have to, Ohio has airports correct?  

Where in the booney hellscape are you from to think Oklahoma, especially Stillwater, is better than Columbus? 

[MPhillips]

@666

Don't quote yourself. We already have a dummy on board who does that...

[666]

1 minute ago, MPhillips said:

@666

Don't quote yourself. We already have a dummy on board who does that...

No room for 2 dummies? 

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, 666 said:

No room for 2 dummies? 

The other one's ego takes up a lot of space...

[666]

4 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Where in the booney hellscape are you from to think Oklahoma, especially Stillwater, is better than Columbus? 

Actually Stillwater is really nice by Oklahoma standards. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, pokemonster said:

Where in the booney hellscape are you from to think Oklahoma, especially Stillwater, is better than Columbus? 

I live in a terrible place, please don't come to visit.  

[alex1fly]

Coleman is a self aware guy. He doesn’t have a grudge. His family wants to settle down in Stillwater for a bit and he is figuring out if/how to stay involved with wrestling. It’s not complicated. 

[666]

3 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

Coleman is a self aware guy. He doesn’t have a grudge. His family wants to settle down in Stillwater for a bit and he is figuring out if/how to stay involved with wrestling. It’s not complicated. 

You are probably right. What I think is crazy is the guys in the forum who say Scott didn't really have any reason to expect he'd get the OSU job. That's crazy. He was very successful as HC at UNC and quit the HC job there to be assistant HC at OSU. Obviously he thought he'd be next in line to replace John Smith if he took the assistant HC job at OSU. Maybe he screwed himself with wrong expectations by leaving UNC, but maybe some OSU people made him some promises which they didn't keep.  Probably it's a combination of both to some degree.