Government Incompetence

[Caveira]

41 minutes ago, Le duke said:

1) They plan maintenance years in advance.

2) Santa Ana winds can happen in any month.

3) This reservoir being empty didn’t change the availability of water for firefighting.


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Lots of excuses for the government.  
 

What does the left call the right when they agree with red politicians.  It’s bootlickers i think isn’t it?

[Le duke]

Lots of excuses for the government.  
 
What does the left call the right when they agree with red politicians.  It’s bootlickers i think isn’t it?

So, should they not do maintenance? Should they let all of the reservoirs fall into disrepair, so none of them can deliver water, for any purpose?


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[Offthemat]

@mspart has the correct take.  If you are doing your job then you see to it that the plan includes a replacement, a substitute water source.  California has been wrong on the environment for fifty years, at least. 

[Caveira]

38 minutes ago, Le duke said:

So, should they not do maintenance? Should they let all of the reservoirs fall into disrepair, so none of them can deliver water, for any purpose?


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What the majority of posters here are saying.  They didn’t do the maintenance.  They let it go to shyte.  They ran out of water and let fuel sources collect.  The brush wasn’t cleaned.  People are dying and losing their homes and You won’t give an opinion as to who is to blame and you just crap on other people/posters.   

[mspart]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

1) They plan maintenance years in advance.

2) Santa Ana winds can happen in any month.

3) This reservoir being empty didn’t change the availability of water for firefighting.


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https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-wind-wildfires-climate-change-weather-42b55ae1e66b56a6375300e448f01946#:~:text=The Santa Ana winds are,contributes to vegetation quickly drying.

Santa Ana winds are from Sep through May.   See above.   

They plan maintenance years in advance.   Someone must have forgotten fire season.   That does not rest with the average Joe.   That rests with the government.  

If item 3 is true, why is the state looking into it.    https://www.yahoo.com/news/pacific-palisades-reservoir-offline-empty-163924460.html

mspart

[mspart]

1 hour ago, Le duke said:

So, should they not do maintenance? Should they let all of the reservoirs fall into disrepair, so none of them can deliver water, for any purpose?


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Of course they need to maintain things.  But don't do the repairs when the fire season is on.   Basic common sense.

mspart

[mspart]

I do not blame CA or LA for the fire starting.   I blame them for letting a residential area burn to the ground.   I blame them for pricing insurance out of the market so no one had fire insurance.  I blame them for not maintaining areas where fire fuel was allowed to grow and did nothing to abate.   I blame them for emptying reservoirs during fire season.  I blame them for having a LA assist fire chief saying she can't get a 250 lb man out of a house, it is because the guy was in the wrong place in the house. 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/12/us-news/lafds-diversity-chief-sparks-fury-for-defending-dei-by-blaming-the-victim/

In a video defending the department’s DEI hiring practices, Deputy Chief Kristine Larson — who heads the Equity and Human Resources Bureau — addressed accusations that female firefighters aren’t strong enough to carry a man out of a burning building.

Her response: “He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

What fire department official talks like that?   That is gross negligence!!!

mspart

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, mspart said:

Of course they need to maintain things.  But don't do the repairs when the fire season is on.   Basic common sense.

mspart

In insurance…. IT insurance they shy away from major changes to their systems during.      Drum roll…..    hurricane season.   Crazy right?   In trading companies they shy away from system maintenance during Drum roll…. Trading days.    Retail.    Black Friday.   It seems like a lot of the non gov industries figured this out lol.   Get it done before your problem seasons/days.  

[Le duke]

Of course they need to maintain things.  But don't do the repairs when the fire season is on.   Basic common sense.
mspart

What is “fire season” in CA?


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[Le duke]

What the majority of posters here are saying.  They didn’t do the maintenance.  They let it go to shyte.  They ran out of water and let fuel sources collect.  The brush wasn’t cleaned.  People are dying and losing their homes and You won’t give an opinion as to who is to blame and you just crap on other people/posters.   

They? The state? The state is supposed to do maintenance on privately owned property? They are supposed to clean up brush on property owned by the power company and private citizens?

I’m genuinely confused here. You want the state to be responsible for maintaining private property owned by corporations and homeowners? Seriously?


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[Caveira]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

They? The state? The state is supposed to do maintenance on privately owned property? They are supposed to clean up brush on property owned by the power company and private citizens?

I’m genuinely confused here. You want the state to be responsible for maintaining private property owned by corporations and homeowners? Seriously?


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Where did this fire start?   In urban LA?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYoVHuyc/
 

you defend these people soooooooo whatever?  (Elizabeth Warren…. Using act blue to ask for donations…. She’s Indian right so she must know how hard it is on the west coast).

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYoVbBq4/

[headshuck]

A friend of mine who lives in LA and narrowly escaped the fires posted this.

[Le duke]

Elon inserts himself the situation. It doesn't go according to plan. And pretty much debunks all of the idiocy on this thread.

 

[Husker_Du]

15 hours ago, Le duke said:

I’m genuinely confused here. 

that's abundantly clear. 

[Husker_Du]

3.5b so Ukrainian politicians can retire comfortably

 

[Le duke]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

that's abundantly clear. 

Stick to wrestling, you bum.

[mspart]

2 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Stick to wrestling, you bum.

So let me get this straight.   If you lived in Pacific Palisades and lost your home to this fire, you would be arguing with everyone that said the government was to blame for not stopping the fire saying it is not the government's fault and they have done what they can and this is just too bad.   It was not their fault that there was no water in the hydrants.  There is only 13% containment today after a week of this fire.   Do I have that correct?  

mspart

[Le duke]

16 minutes ago, mspart said:

So let me get this straight.   If you lived in Pacific Palisades and lost your home to this fire, you would be arguing with everyone that said the government was to blame for not stopping the fire saying it is not the government's fault and they have done what they can and this is just too bad.   It was not their fault that there was no water in the hydrants.  There is only 13% containment today after a week of this fire.   Do I have that correct?  

mspart

If you turn on all of the fire hydrants, some of them aren't going to have water. Over a large enough network, with enough open valves, no matter how much water you have feeding it, you will run out of pressure. The end. Turns out, when you have fire spread out over an area that large, you meet those conditions. You can do the same thing with your household irrigation system, at a much smaller scale. 

Now, if you're suggesting that the civil engineering standards should be updated to meet newer threats and resultant requirements, sure, I'd agree with you. But the water delivery system is not "bad"; it's built to a known standard that is, for lack of a better term, outdated. But that's still the standard.

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[mspart]

I'm suggesting you will make excuses for the government even if your house burned down in the fire.   It seems that that is exactly what you would do.   Theoretically.    

mspart

[mspart]

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/la-times-owner-regrets-paper-endorsing-mayor-karen-bass-thats-a-mistake-pat-soon-shiong-the-owner-of-the-los-angeles-times-wildfires-fires-palisades-socal-southern-california

LOS ANGELES (TNND) — Pat Soon-Shiong, the owner of the Los Angeles Times, said Monday it was a mistake for the newspaper to endorse Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass.

Soon-Shiong said during an appearance on the online show “The Morning Meeting” that “we’ll accept some blame” as wildfires cause damage in parts of southern California.

“So, at the L.A. Times, we endorsed Karen Bass. I think, right now ... that’s a mistake, and we admit that,” Soon-Shiong said. “So, I thought it was very important early on for me to come out.”

The Los Angeles Times endorsed Bass for mayor in 2022. The newspaper categorized her as a leader who could bring city residents together and had a holistic vision for a better community.

On Monday, Soon-Shiong advised against having “professional politicians whose only job is really to run for office.”

“It's an interesting thing is that maybe we should think about how we elect people on the basis of did they actually run a job? Did they actually make a payroll? Do they understand what it is?” he asked.

Even the owner of the LA Times sees what is going on.  

mspart

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[mspart]

Love him or hate him, Musk is providing Star LInk to the LA fire fighters. 

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/elon-musks-aid-to-la-fire-victims-free-starlink-internet-security-personnel-and-food-article-117184758

mspart

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

I'm suggesting you will make excuses for the government even if your house burned down in the fire.   It seems that that is exactly what you would do.   Theoretically.    

mspart

It’s not that he will make excuses for the government……….  It’s like the only thing he does.  He must have majored in it in college.   Quite possibly he may even work for the government.   Public school teacher perhaps?

[mspart]

Yeah, well, all those liberals that live in the Palisades are not happy with their government right now. 

mspart

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, mspart said:

Yeah, well, all those liberals that live in the Palisades are not happy with their government right now. 

mspart

They need to set up a zoom consultation with the duke to get the 411.   Maybe trip could help too.   They’ll get straightened out after that you betcha.    

[Paul158]

21 hours ago, mspart said:

I do not blame CA or LA for the fire starting.   I blame them for letting a residential area burn to the ground.   I blame them for pricing insurance out of the market so no one had fire insurance.  I blame them for not maintaining areas where fire fuel was allowed to grow and did nothing to abate.   I blame them for emptying reservoirs during fire season.  I blame them for having a LA assist fire chief saying she can't get a 250 lb man out of a house, it is because the guy was in the wrong place in the house. 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/12/us-news/lafds-diversity-chief-sparks-fury-for-defending-dei-by-blaming-the-victim/

In a video defending the department’s DEI hiring practices, Deputy Chief Kristine Larson — who heads the Equity and Human Resources Bureau — addressed accusations that female firefighters aren’t strong enough to carry a man out of a burning building.

Her response: “He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

What fire department official talks like that?   That is gross negligence!!!

mspart

California government is so incompetent. They have had these strong Santa Anna winds forever. That they don't have fire breaks that are 200 to 300 yards or more wide is unbelievable. The program to deal with wild fires and prevention gets over 3 billion dollars a year just from the state. Then you have hundreds of millions from county and city programs. You will always have the possibility of fires in that area. Where does all the money go. They have 2 main jobs, Fighting fires and fire prevention.