Greenland

[Bigbrog]

Just now, Tripnsweep said:

I could see it as a very bad idea. Suppose Greenland went for it. Now we have the added expenses of not just taking care of the entire population of Greenland, which isn't big, but it's remote, isolated and more expensive to maintain. Not to mention being responsible for defending, administering, and dealing with a massive new territory, that is largely unexplored. Then there's other considerations, such as how to handle local conditions, disasters that may happen, etc. To a lot of people that doesn't sound complicated, but it is. Also transportation for anything coming or going is massively expensive. 

My guess is Trump is saying this for one of two reasons. One, somebody told him it's full of untapped resources which if we owned we could mine or take. Or two, he is saying this to distract from other problems that he knows are coming. 

How do they do all of that now??

[headshuck]

Or China or Russia is already poised to take it.

[PortaJohn]

26 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Now we have the added expenses of not just taking care of the entire population of Greenland, which isn't big, but it's remote, isolated and more expensive to maintain

Ok.  Now show the math that supports your claims and then run a cross analysis showing the benefits

[PortaJohn]

28 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

How do they do all of that now??

Have to be specific with your questions.  I asked him to show the data that supports his claim

[Offthemat]

If you don’t understand that the Panama Canal and Greenland interests are about military control of major shipping lanes, then you don’t understand. 

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

If you don’t understand that the Panama Canal and Greenland interests are about military control of major shipping lanes, then you don’t understand. 

But it's so much easier to just hate the idea of it because Trump said it...as opposed to being able to articulate, with facts to back it up, that any of these ideas are "bad". 

I personally don't really know what to think at this point...superficially, sorta sounds like good ideas...but without more information I can't have a strong opinion one way or the other.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

If you don’t understand that the Panama Canal and Greenland interests are about military control of major shipping lanes, then you don’t understand. 

It's more than shipping lanes.  It's projected that Greenland houses nearly 1/4 of all rare earth minerals

[mspart]

I would think an arrangement could be made where we have access to the benefits of Greenland for a lease arrangement.  Make that a 500 year lease.   That should cover up until Armeggedon at least I would think, if the USA is still around.   Or the great nuclear waste predicted in Mad Max and  Wall-e.  

mspart

[Offthemat]

29 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

It's more than shipping lanes.  It's projected that Greenland houses nearly 1/4 of all rare earth minerals

SMH

[mspart]

35 minutes ago, mspart said:

I would think an arrangement could be made where we have access to the benefits of Greenland for a lease arrangement.  Make that a 500 year lease.   That should cover up until Armeggedon at least I would think, if the USA is still around.   Or the great nuclear waste predicted in Mad Max and  Wall-e.  

mspart

I am not a fan of taking over Greenland, but an arrangement like what we have with Cuba in Guantanamo seems doable.  Perhaps a lease plus a percentage of minerals extracted minus shipping lane and defense safeguards. 

mspart

[PortaJohn]

From Dailywire (Right Leaning publication)

In 2018, the Trump administration warned Denmark not to allow China, which wanted to build three airports in Greenland, to do so. China could potentially use the airports for warplanes.

NOTE: China withdrew their bid to build those airports

As far as the threat of China gaining global control over rare earth minerals, it is important to note the following:

“Rare earth elements (REEs) – a group of 17 critical metals – are indispensable components in military defense systems, consumer electronics and renewable energy technologies,” NewsSecurityBeat reported. “Despite more than a decade of sustained efforts by Western countries and companies to loosen China’s grip, Beijing, by far remains the top player in the REE global mining, processing and refining sectors. … China has an effective monopoly over processing major heavy rare earths – Dysprosium (Dy) and Terbium (Tb), and Light Rare Earths – Neodymium (Nd) and Praseodymium (Pr). … From 1950 to October 2018, China filed over 25,000 rare earth patents, surpassing the US’ 10,000.“

“Greenland contains some of the largest deposits of rare earth elements (REE) on Earth, such as yttrium, scandium, neodymium and dysprosium,” Innovation News Network stated. “These REEs have unique properties that make them ideal for several industrial applications due to their ability to withstand extreme temperatures or chemical agents.”

In addition, the U.S. Geological Survey estimates that there could be 17.5 billion undiscovered barrels of oil and 148 trillion cubic feet of natural gas off the coast of Greenland, and the Arctic Circle possibly has another 90 billion barrels of oil.

Edited Wednesday at 08:21 PM by PortaJohn

[mspart]

Heavy metal - oh yeah.

mspart

[red viking]

Too many idiots think that we're going to be able to be able to take Greenland by force or leverage some type of ripoff deal with Denmark where we get a whole lot for relatively little. I know your hero that wears diapers has made his career off of ripping people off (e.g. not even paying contractors) but it won't work that way. 

If we can purchase Greenland or get "rights" to it, we'll pay a hefty price. It won't  be any type of steal. 

Any remote chance we had of getting a great deal evaporated since diaper boy is such a jerk and even made a veiled threat about taking it by force. 

[Ohio Elite]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

 I know your hero that wears diapers.

 

Biden?

[red viking]

8 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

Biden?

He probably does too but several sources have indicated that Donny has had some accidents during meetings and speeches, accompanied by some delightful aromas. That's your new leader for you. Enjoy. 

[PortaJohn]

29 minutes ago, red viking said:

If we can purchase Greenland or get "rights" to it, we'll pay a hefty price. It won't  be any type of steal. 

Paying a hefty price and getting "rights" to Greenland would be a monumental achievement.  

[red viking]

Just now, PortaJohn said:

Paying a hefty price and getting "rights" to Greenland would be a monumental achievement.  

Yah; screw the people in this country that are struggling to put food on the table. Imperial conquests are more important. USA!!! 

[PortaJohn]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Yah; screw the people in this country that are struggling to put food on the table. Imperial conquests are more important. USA!!! 

You're comment makes no sense.  Those rare earth materials that Greenland has an abundance of are the very things that would benefit all Americans.  

[mspart]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

He probably does too but several sources have indicated that Donny has had some accidents during meetings and speeches, accompanied by some delightful aromas. That's your new leader for you. Enjoy. 

Sources please.

mspart

Edited Thursday at 12:25 AM by mspart

[mspart]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

You're comment makes no sense. 

Nuff said.

mspart

[Ohio Elite]

The internet is king...

[red viking]

4 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

You're comment makes no sense.  Those rare earth materials that Greenland has an abundance of are the very things that would benefit all Americans.  

And we're the only ones capable of mining them, right? Denmark can't?

[headshuck]

No, they will outsource it to China.

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, headshuck said:

No, they will outsource it to China.

Maybe we’ll outsource it to china.   Only if you pay one of our pre pardoned “crack” head kids?

[PortaJohn]

41 minutes ago, red viking said:

And we're the only ones capable of mining them, right? Denmark can't?

You're just casting your rod at this point in the hopes to catch a meaningless argument.  My point is simple.  If the US  purchased Greenland it would be a monumental achievement that would benefit Americans.  See.  Simple.   

I'll repeat. It's not going to happen but if it did it would be monumental