Brian Thompson CEO of United Health Care was murdered (shot several times) by a hit man this morning on the streets in New York.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Have you posted a single time mourning the deaths of 20,000 Palestinian children?

I'm talking about YOUR take. Weird.

Whataboutism...

Edited December 6 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[mspart]

It isn't for the health care brother.   We have been told. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4886353-nhs-england-in-crisis-health-care/

The National Health Service in England, founded in 1948 to deliver health care directly to all in need following World War II, is in trouble.

Not only is it broke, but it is also broken, as the new British Prime Minister Keir Starmer just pointed out in response to a recent government study.

The waiting lines for care are prohibitive. A recent study revealed that 8 million people in the United Kingdom are waiting for their care, with 40 percent waiting for more than 18 weeks. An incredible 14,000 people died just last year while waiting for care in England’s emergency rooms.

Despite the well-meaning and compassionate doctors and nurses in the NHS, it is impossible to justify a health system when you have to wait so long for potentially life-saving care. If you aren’t seen, it is impossible to determine severity and urgency.

Oh yes, single payer utopia!!!!

mspart

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

So then the government would be killing people as you say.   That is already demonstrated.   

Also if single payer is so awesome, why is BC sending cancer patients to Bellingham WA for cancer treatments and guess what, there is no line for them to wait in.   Yes, single payers is the utopia of medical care - NOT.  

For more wonderful news about single payer plans look at the Indian reservations and the V.A.    Oh the VA is run so well. 

mspart

Why don't any of the dozens of single-payer systems around the world switch to our private health insurance model since it's obviously so great?

It's literally the third rail of international politics. Even the most die-hard conservative politicians wouldn't dare try to take away single-payer healthcare around the world. Why? Because people love it.

You lean on anecdotal evidence of a fraction of 1% of Canadians coming to the USA for serious medical treatment. Our healthcare works very well...if you're rich. For the 99%, it works very poorly, inefficiently, and immorally. Part of the reason our wait times are shorter is because 33% percent of the country simply can't afford to see a doctor. 

I'd trade slightly higher wait times for 100% population coverage AND no financial ruin in a heart beat.

[mspart]

Move to England and your dreams will come true.

mspart

[uncle bernard]

Just now, mspart said:

Move to England and your dreams will come true.

mspart

Why are we the only country where medical bankruptcy exists?

[uncle bernard]

19 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I'm talking about YOUR take. Weird.

Whataboutism...

I didn't even endorse it. In fact I said it was wrong. Murder is wrong. I just said it didn't ruin my day.

Edited December 6 by uncle bernard

[uncle bernard]

22 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I can’t imagine why millions aren’t swimming over to Europe instead of claiming asylum here.   Weird.  

Give them the choice, I'd bet most of them would rather have guaranteed healthcare in Europe.

[uncle bernard]

Let's take a step back for a second. 

Millions of Americans are cheering the murder of a private citizen because he is the CEO of an insurance company. That's a fact.

Is that not a very troubling symptom of a major issue we should address? Does that sound like a healthy society to you guys?

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Give them the choice, I'd bet most of them would rather have guaranteed healthcare in Europe.

Weird and yet they come here anyway.   I’m so confused.  

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Give them the choice, I'd bet most of them would rather have guaranteed healthcare in Europe.

Riddle me this.  Indians from India represent the third highest group of illegals coming into the USA in 2022…..almost a million of them came across the boarder.  
 

England is almost twice as  close to India vs the USA.   It’s about 7000 km to England vs 13,000 km to get here.   Are they incompetent?   Why not scoot over to London instead of this god awful country ???

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

17 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Let's take a step back for a second. 

Millions of Americans are cheering the murder of a private citizen because he is the CEO of an insurance company. That's a fact.

Is that not a very troubling symptom of a major issue we should address? Does that sound like a healthy society to you guys?

The major issue I see is : murder.

(And perhaps a group of people whom have been somehow riled up to hate people who have more money than them)

Edited December 6 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The major issue I see is : murder.

(And perhaps a group of people whom have been somehow riled up to hate people who have more money than them)

This isn't a random rich person. It's a guy who runs an insurance company and the shooter explicitly sent a message about denying care to people. It's not just about money. You see the murder of one man and are missing the murder of thousands for the sake of profit.

You can still think it's wrong, but it's lazy to say this is just about hating rich people.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

This isn't a random rich person. It's a guy who runs an insurance company and the shooter explicitly sent a message about denying care to people. It's not just about money. You see the murder of one man and are missing the murder of thousands for the sake of profit.

You can still think it's wrong, but it's lazy to say this is just about hating rich people.

Lazy?  a guy gets killed in the streets of NY.  I see the problem in that a MURDER occurred.  I don't THINK it is wrong.  I KNOW it is wrong.

But some people think:  "A guy got killed in the streets! we need to fix our insurance industry!"

Victim blaming at its worst.

 

His company actively murdered people?  Like went to their house and killed them? Or did they die of something else?  Crazy. Crazy. Crazy.

[uncle bernard]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Riddle me this.  Indians from India represent the third highest group of illegals coming into the USA in 2022…..almost a million of them came across the boarder.  
 

England is almost twice as  close to India vs the USA.   It’s about 7000 km to England vs 13,000 km to get here.   Are they incompetent?   Why not scoot over to London instead of this god awful country ???

The UK population density is 7x higher than the US. It's almost like there's more opportunity in the US for immigrants to get jobs. Even so, Indians are the number 1 immigrant in the UK and still rival US numbers despite it being a much smaller country.

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Lazy?  a guy gets killed in the streets of NY.  I see the problem in that a MURDER occurred.  I don't THINK it is wrong.  I KNOW it is wrong.

But some people think:  "A guy got killed in the streets! we need to fix our insurance industry!"

Victim blaming at its worst.

 

His company actively murdered people?  Like went to their house and killed them? Or did they die of something else?  Crazy. Crazy. Crazy.

No, your diagnosis of people just hating him "because he's rich" was lazy. There are tons of rich people in this country whose murder wouldn't be cheered by millions. They hate him because he's a figurehead of an evil industry that ruins people's lives.

I hope you never have to deal with an insurance company denying essential care to you or a loved one.

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

The UK population density is 7x higher than the US. It's almost like there's more opportunity in the US for immigrants to get jobs. Even so, Indians are the number 1 immigrant in the UK and still rival US numbers despite it being a much smaller country.

Population density? LOL

All the Indians moving to Alaska or Arkansas because the low population density of those states.  Get out of here with that silliness.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

No, your diagnosis of people just hating him "because he's rich" was lazy. There are tons of rich people in this country whose murder wouldn't be cheered by millions. They hate him because he's a figurehead of an evil industry that ruins people's lives.

I hope you never have to deal with an insurance company denying essential care to you or a loved one.

 

I didn't say he was a nice guy.  I didn't say that insurance companies are the greatest thing ever.  I said I see murder as the problem in this circumstance.  You think murder is ok, but pretend its not.  I get it.

A lazy argument is " low population density leads to higher immigration." Why aren't Indians moving to Antarctica.  Very low population density!

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Population density? LOL

All the Indians moving to Alaska or Arkansas because the low population density of those states.  Get out of here with that silliness.

A country with 350+ million people can handle a few million immigrants much easier than one with 60 million on a relatively tiny island. Don't be dense.

This whole discussion is stupid because we all know that they're just going where they could find jobs. Their number 1 country of emigration is the UAE. Why? Because they're importing foreign labor. That's where the jobs are.

Healthcare is not the driving factor of where they go. HOWEVER, I bet most of them would prefer to have guaranteed healthcare over nothing.

[headshuck]

Wait, isn’t the President of the USA ultimately responsible for many deaths since he awarded mega contracts to this vendor?

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I didn't say he was a nice guy.  I didn't say that insurance companies are the greatest thing ever.  I said I see murder as the problem in this circumstance.  You think murder is ok, but pretend its not.  I get it.

A lazy argument is " low population density leads to higher immigration." Why aren't Indians moving to Antarctica.  Very low population density!

Where was this absolutist stance for the thousands of dead children in Gaza? I'll give you a chance right now. Do you condemn their murder?

[Caveira]

19 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I bet most of them would prefer to have guaranteed healthcare over nothing.

And yet they travel farther for “nothing” vs said guarantee.     They must be weird.   
 

do you know how bets even work?   

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

39 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Where was this absolutist stance for the thousands of dead children in Gaza? I'll give you a chance right now. Do you condemn their murder?

But... but...but... 

"whataboutism"

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

But... but...but... 

"whataboutism"

It’s only whataboutism when you do it.   Don’t you know that lol.  

[uncle bernard]

15 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

But... but...but... 

"whataboutism"

You don't get to do a "murder is murder" schtick then opt out when you're faced with a single counter example. You either believe it or you don't. Which is it?

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

You don't get to do a "murder is murder" schtick then opt out when you're faced with a single counter example. You either believe it or you don't. Which is it?

Collateral damage in a war you started  is the same murder as stalking and shooting / murdering some ceo ?