Trump Secretly Stayed in Touch With Putin

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11 hours ago, RockLobster said:

It is common knowledge that Russia has been involved in election interference campaigns going back AT LEAST to 2016.

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

It is also common knowledge that Russian and the US have been involved in at least 'low grade' cyber warfare since that time. The level has increased significantly since their invasion of Ukraine. From a technical perspective, we may not be terribly far from an all out cyber war with Russia at this very moment.

Timeline was correct. But WKN beat me to it. Trump "openly" asked for Russia's help in "finding" Hilary's emails. (See above for WKN's post.)

Ah yes, THOSE peace agreements! The ones that Kushner put together between countries that were not involved in any conflict whatsoever and, for the most part, NEVER actually had been.

This was promoted as "making peace in the middle east" - when it was in fact, just smoke and mirrors (and US payoffs to the participants.) The only places these "peace" agreements took place were already firmly at peace.

Trump did say he'd make peace in the middle east. Another campaign promise he failed to deliver on. This was just BS.

and you still dont know that hillary is the only person who has been held to account for anything in that election

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11 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I still don't understand why anyone believes Trump cares about anyone or anything but his own interests. This is a guy who was born rich, has never held a real job or had to work for anything, and imagining he cares about the average person unless it suits his interest? Trump wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. He despises people who don't have something that benefits him. If he didn't need people to vote for him, he wouldn't even pretend to give a shit. 

is that why kamala wants the job so badly? 

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9 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Biden posted his income taxes on his campaign website. Trump won't release his. 

did the mafia guy post his income taxes? 

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1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

Who exactly found him incompetent to stand trial? When was he ever deposed or even indicted or charged with something to stand trial? 

you really have been under a rock

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2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

is that why kamala wants the job so badly? 

I don't think her motivation is staying out of prison or trying to avoid being prosecuted. 

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

did the mafia guy post his income taxes? 

Was he running for office? 

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so you are saying some people don't put all their income on their tax sheet? 

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14 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I don't think her motivation is staying out of prison or trying to avoid being prosecuted. 

i know that's not trumps motivation

[Caveira]

If mansplaining is bad for women.  

is black-splaining good for men of color?

[Tripnsweep]

26 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

i know that's not trumps motivation

Yes it is. 

[Offthemat]

Obama spent more money interfering in Israel’s election than Russia spent on the 2016 election. 
Hiliary spent more money interfering in Russia’s election than Russia spent on our 2016 election. 
The majority of people in this country realize that the indictments are a result of Trump’s candidacy, not a cause. 
Kamela’’s campaign hasn’t touted a single accomplishment that would justify her candidacy, other than she worked off her ass.  

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Obama spent more money interfering in Israel’s election than Russia spent on the 2016 election. 
Hiliary spent more money interfering in Russia’s election than Russia spent on our 2016 election. 
The majority of people in this country realize that the indictments are a result of Trump’s candidacy, not a cause. 
Kamela’’s campaign hasn’t touted a single accomplishment that would justify her candidacy, other than she worked off her ass.  

It’s a change from when she was working with Willie brown and Montel Williams…. Off her knees   

 

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2 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Yes it is. 

you dont know anything about trump.

he isn't close to going to jail.

[mspart]

With the above, does anyone honestly think that Trump is going to jail for the NY case?   Yes, the one with no specific crime alleged?  Yes, the one that the judge said if you think he did one of 3 things it will count as long as all of you think he did something?   Has there ever been a similar case ever in the history of the republic where misdemeanor charges were cooked to become felony charges and said charges were allowed to languish until they were past the statute of limitations because they couldn't be prosecuted?   That is the one he is going to jail for?  

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

mspart

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i mentioned this in another thread.

oppenheimers kangaroo struggle session.

it wasn't a court. 

but this is the same.

[Tripnsweep]

42 minutes ago, mspart said:

With the above, does anyone honestly think that Trump is going to jail for the NY case?   Yes, the one with no specific crime alleged?  Yes, the one that the judge said if you think he did one of 3 things it will count as long as all of you think he did something?   Has there ever been a similar case ever in the history of the republic where misdemeanor charges were cooked to become felony charges and said charges were allowed to languish until they were past the statute of limitations because they couldn't be prosecuted?   That is the one he is going to jail for?  

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

mspart

If it was past the statute of limitations, then his lawyers should have easily had the charges dismissed. Some of what they alleged was past, but when you commit a crime like that, there are usually two things going on. You committed a crime, but you also had to conspire to do so. Conspiring to commit a crime is also illegal. That has a different limitation. 

Also when you do something to further another crime, that is also illegal. So if I use money from my business to pay a bribe to somebody, and then lie about the reason, that is illegal. So these are not "misdemeanors", these are things that if average people did them they would already be in jail for.

And Trump's primary motivation for wanting to be president is to avoid going to prison, getting investigated more and charged with more crimes, and to use the office to enrich himself and people around him. 

The guy is so transparent about his motives. He really doesn't care about anyone or anything besides himself or his own interests.

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whats usually going on is political

[RockLobster]

On 10/11/2024 at 1:03 AM, Offthemat said:

The world was a better place when he was President.  He doesn’t need the money - he’s a billionaire.  He doesn’t need the turmoil - he’s got a wonderful, loving family.  He’s got a knack for running things.  He’s got common sense and a sense of humor.  He doesn’t want to be a communist dictator like his opponent does.  He wants to make America great again.  He took a bullet and even that didn’t stop him.  You two couldn’t prove your claims if your life depended on it.  Believing Kam and Tim are capable and intelligent leaders is dangerous to democracy. 

You are right on that point. He doesn't need the money.

But he DOES NEED the position so he can pardon himself.

He's been convicted of many dozens of counts of criminal offenses.

He's a felon 34 times over and more indictments are pending.

Simply put, Trump has a knack for being a proven criminal. Many times, over and over again.

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On 10/11/2024 at 7:20 PM, mspart said:

With the above, does anyone honestly think that Trump is going to jail for the NY case?   

No.  Because I think that after he loses the election, he is either going to off himself, or flee the country….fearful of all of the other felonies he is awaiting trial for.  

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8 hours ago, RockLobster said:

You are right on that point. He doesn't need the money.

But he DOES NEED the position so he can pardon himself.

He's been convicted of many dozens of counts of criminal offenses.

He's a felon 34 times over and more indictments are pending.

Simply put, Trump has a knack for being a proven criminal. Many times, over and over again.

 

53 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

No.  Because I think that after he loses the election, he is either going to off himself, or flee the country….fearful of all of the other felonies he is awaiting trial for.  

TDS

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On 10/11/2024 at 5:24 PM, Caveira said:

It’s a change from when she was working with Willie brown and Montel Williams…. Off her knees   

 

It’s a lot the same. 

[WrestlingRasta]

55 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

 

TDS

. How much time every day do you spend on Kamala. Prior to that Biden?  It’s almost as if projection is a prerequisite into the MAGA fan club.

Only three weeks to go.  Enjoy! 

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1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

. How much time every day do you spend on Kamala. Prior to that Biden?  It’s almost as if projection is a prerequisite into the MAGA fan club.

Only three weeks to go.  Enjoy! 

Three weeks for what?

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On 10/11/2024 at 5:09 PM, Tripnsweep said:

If it was past the statute of limitations, then his lawyers should have easily had the charges dismissed. Some of what they alleged was past, but when you commit a crime like that, there are usually two things going on. You committed a crime, but you also had to conspire to do so. Conspiring to commit a crime is also illegal. That has a different limitation. 

Also when you do something to further another crime, that is also illegal. So if I use money from my business to pay a bribe to somebody, and then lie about the reason, that is illegal. So these are not "misdemeanors", these are things that if average people did them they would already be in jail for.

And Trump's primary motivation for wanting to be president is to avoid going to prison, getting investigated more and charged with more crimes, and to use the office to enrich himself and people around him. 

The guy is so transparent about his motives. He really doesn't care about anyone or anything besides himself or his own interests.

You are grabbing at straws now.

For your first paragraph, all cited illegalities against Trump were misdemeanors that had run the statute of limitations.   But by combining them with "another crime", that made the total package of accusations felonies.   Please stipulate the "another crime" Trump was charged with.   Still waiting. 

Here are the first three allegations against Trump:   https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:
The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.

SECOND COUNT:
AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:
The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.

THIRD COUNT:
AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:
The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 842460, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.

All the allegations read similarly.   Have you ever considered such a vague allegation going to court?   No one has.  So again, review with me the allegation.   What is the "another crime" specified in the indictment?   Please specify? 

The Judge's instructions:  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c033m2qdm0no

He told the jury that prosecutors do not need to prove these secondary crimes, nor do jurors need to be in agreement on which specific one Mr Trump committed. They must reach a unanimous verdict on each of the 34 counts, however.

This on it's face is ludicrous.   Of course the prosecutors need to prove the secondary crimes, they are what make the accusations felonies.  And obviously, there was no specific secondary crime because the jury could pick and choose.  

Jonathan Turley described this as follows:  https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4691715-a-manhattan-canned-hunt-the-trump-jury-is-out-but-is-the-case-in-the-bag/

Consider just a few highlights from the curious aspects of these deliberations.

First, the judge has ruled that the jury does not have to agree on what actually occurred in the case. Merchan ruled that the government had vaguely referenced three possible crimes that constitute the “unlawful means” used to influence the election: a federal election violation, the falsification of business records, and a tax violation. The jurors were told that they could split on what occurred, with four jurors accepting each of the three possible crimes in a 4-4-4 split. The court would still consider that a unanimous verdict so long as they agree that it was in furtherance of some crime.

Second, the judge said that he would instruct the jury on the law but then omitted the key elements that established there was no federal campaign violation. Indeed, the blocked legal expert, Ben Smith, the former chair of the Federal Election Commission, was going to testify that this could not have been a federal election violation. Moreover, even if Trump’s legal settlement money could be viewed as a federal campaign contribution, it could not have been part of a conspiracy to influence the election since any reporting of a contribution would have had to occur after the election.

Third, not only can the jury disagree as to what occurred, but one of the three crimes is so circular as to produce vertigo in the jury room. The prosecutors zapped a dead misdemeanor back into life by claiming a violation under New York’s election law 17-152. The argument is that the crime was committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, that other crime can be the falsification of business records. So the jury (or some jurors, at least) could find that some documents were falsified as an unlawful means of falsifying other documents.

This case will be dismissed by the appellate court.  

mspart

[WrestlingRasta]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Three weeks for what?

Ummmmm…the election