BAC Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 On 9/12/2024 at 11:05 PM, Chigachanuk said: Sorry, but I'll play the naysayer. Despite the fact that Robles wrestled with one leg, he had big time upper body advantage. Think about it: how much does a leg weigh? 35 pounds? So he had the upper body of a 170 pound man, which was very obvious. Yes he had moves, speed, and strength of a solid wrestler, but he also was hard to take down because he wrestled with one knee to the mat position which left his opponents not able to surprise Robles, . I think McD looked confuses as to where to attack and I think he suffered from what most Robles opponents did: "I don't want to take advantage of this guy, so I'll...........what?" Not taking anything away from Robles: he was an honest champ, but wrestling him was weird; his oponents looked confused. Just imagine if he had no legs at all. 35 + 35 = a SEVENTY pound advantage! And no legs to shoot at! Now THAT is unfair. Don't even get me started on how unfair it'd be if he didn't have a head either. 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 9/12/2024 at 8:05 PM, Chigachanuk said: Sorry, but I'll play the naysayer. Despite the fact that Robles wrestled with one leg, he had big time upper body advantage. Think about it: how much does a leg weigh? 35 pounds? So he had the upper body of a 170 pound man, which was very obvious. Yes he had moves, speed, and strength of a solid wrestler, but he also was hard to take down because he wrestled with one knee to the mat position which left his opponents not able to surprise Robles, . I think McD looked confuses as to where to attack and I think he suffered from what most Robles opponents did: "I don't want to take advantage of this guy, so I'll...........what?" Not taking anything away from Robles: he was an honest champ, but wrestling him was weird; his oponents looked confused. I wrestled him a lot in high school and was in his class. Did he have a strength advantage? Absolutley. Did he present unique problems? Absolutely. Are either of those things why he was an NCAA D1 champion? Absolutely not. He had the determination and attitude of a champion and he paved his way like every other champion. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 9/13/2024 at 6:23 AM, pcostilow said: I was really hoping after 2011 that I would never have to hear the "the amputee actually has an advantage" argument again. He did its just not the reason he became a champion. Its the same as any other advantage that has its disadvantages situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 9/13/2024 at 7:39 PM, WildTurk said: Foxcatcher was a great movie imo I guess it’s a matter of preference, but I will say it wasn’t a bad movie. My expectations were just extremely high. Steve Carell is one of my favorite actors of all time and Channing Tatum is one of my wife’s favorite actors (not sure why lol). And the movie was an about one of the craziest wrestling stories ever. I really thought it would be my new all time favorite movie. Probably unfair expectations, but it really wasn’t close to my favorite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyhoyle Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 49 minutes ago, Eagle26 said: I guess it’s a matter of preference, but I will say it wasn’t a bad movie. My expectations were just extremely high. Steve Carell is one of my favorite actors of all time and Channing Tatum is one of my wife’s favorite actors (not sure why lol). And the movie was an about one of the craziest wrestling stories ever. I really thought it would be my new all time favorite movie. Probably unfair expectations, but it really wasn’t close to my favorite I think part of the problem was that we all knew what was going to happen. The entire movie built up to that ending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boconnell Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 9/12/2024 at 8:05 PM, Chigachanuk said: Sorry, but I'll play the naysayer. Despite the fact that Robles wrestled with one leg, he had big time upper body advantage. Think about it: how much does a leg weigh? 35 pounds? So he had the upper body of a 170 pound man, which was very obvious. Yes he had moves, speed, and strength of a solid wrestler, but he also was hard to take down because he wrestled with one knee to the mat position which left his opponents not able to surprise Robles, . I think McD looked confuses as to where to attack and I think he suffered from what most Robles opponents did: "I don't want to take advantage of this guy, so I'll...........what?" Not taking anything away from Robles: he was an honest champ, but wrestling him was weird; his oponents looked confused. I agree. All of the one legged champions demonstrate how much of an advantage it is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 9/10/2024 at 7:14 PM, Kansasfan said: They got Johnni Dijulius to play Matt Mcdonough so that should help Someone remarked in a post (to which the above comment was a response) that a state champion wrestler plays the lead, but I didn't see that in the article below and even if he is a state champ the question arises, which state? PA, Ohio, NJ, NY, or California (and a number of possible additions) -- that would be great. A few other states (I won't name them), perhaps not so amazing. https://www.thewrap.com/jharrel-jerome-unstoppable-transformation-wrestling/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boconnell Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 10 hours ago, SocraTease said: Someone remarked in a post (to which the above comment was a response) that a state champion wrestler plays the lead, but I didn't see that in the article below and even if he is a state champ the question arises, which state? PA, Ohio, NJ, NY, or California (and a number of possible additions) -- that would be great. A few other states (I won't name them), perhaps not so amazing. https://www.thewrap.com/jharrel-jerome-unstoppable-transformation-wrestling/ You can't seriously think that being a state champ in a weaker state isn't enough credentials to play a wrestler in a movie. You do realize the matches in the movie won't be real? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 10 hours ago, SocraTease said: Someone remarked in a post (to which the above comment was a response) that a state champion wrestler plays the lead, but I didn't see that in the article below and even if he is a state champ the question arises, which state? PA, Ohio, NJ, NY, or California (and a number of possible additions) -- that would be great. A few other states (I won't name them), perhaps not so amazing. https://www.thewrap.com/jharrel-jerome-unstoppable-transformation-wrestling/ I said they got a state champ to play the lead in Win/Win. Regardless of the state if they got a state champ to play the lead in Unstoppable the wrestling would be ASTRONOMICALLY better than in Legendary, Vision Quest or hell, even Foxcatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhackler Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 9/12/2024 at 10:05 PM, Chigachanuk said: I think McD looked confuses as to where to attack and I think he suffered from what most Robles opponents did: "I don't want to take advantage of this guy, so I'll...........what?" You seem to be saying that Robles's opponents didn't want to wrestle to their strengths against him. That seems to run counter to the attitude of every D-1 wrestler I've ever met. Maybe you'd care to walk that one back a bit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 On 9/10/2024 at 3:32 PM, TNwrestling said: The reason Win/Win is the best wrestling movie made is because they got a state champ wrestler to play the lead...if the lead actor in this hasnt ever wrestled its just gonna look like every other wrestling movie ever made Good interview with Bader and Johnni DiJulius. They do some shots with Robles as the wrestler. They also have actual wrestlers as extras wrestling in the background or other matches - he mentions Kyler Larkin, Brandon Courtney, Evan Wick and Shakur Rasheed. Angel Rivera apparently plays the ref and I believe he said Jesse Jantzen plays one of the Iowa coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 15 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Good interview with Bader and Johnni DiJulius. They do some shots with Robles as the wrestler. They also have actual wrestlers as extras wrestling in the background or other matches - he mentions Kyler Larkin, Brandon Courtney, Evan Wick and Shakur Rasheed. Angel Rivera apparently plays the ref and I believe he said Jesse Jantzen plays one of the Iowa coaches. Right, and all the other wrestling movies had extras who wrestled. I'm talking specifically about the lead role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 40 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: Right, and all the other wrestling movies had extras who wrestled. I'm talking specifically about the lead role. Did they have the second most prominent wrestler in the film as a D1 wrestler? And as I mentioned, they said they did use Robles himself for some of the shots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 hours ago, 1032004 said: Angel Rivera apparently plays the ref and I believe he said Jesse Jantzen plays one of the Iowa coaches. I hope Terry sees it and boos the screen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobB Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 On 9/15/2024 at 10:13 PM, boconnell said: I agree. All of the one legged champions demonstrate how much of an advantage it is. I think what @forkemaz said is true it has advantages and disadvantages. If it had no advantages there is no way he could be competitive. Lets say take the weight advantage away. If he wrestled 174 how would he do? Probably the disadvantages of missing a limb is greater than the advantages of being physically stronger than your opponent in all other muscles. The training aspect and perseverance with a missing limb is the unique character trait of this champion. From what I hear the story is also about his mother. Being able to accomplish so much given the deck your dealt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 21 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I hope Terry sees it and boos the screen Dresser may boycott the film for this reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 On 10/9/2024 at 8:58 AM, 1032004 said: Angel Rivera apparently plays the ref and I believe he said Jesse Jantzen plays one of the Iowa coaches. If he pulls this off, he could be nominated for an Oscar! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNL Wrestling Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Anyways, there is a showing next week I bought tickets for. I’ll come here to let you all know how it goes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyhoyle Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 5 hours ago, SNL Wrestling said: Anyways, there is a showing next week I bought tickets for. I’ll come here to let you all know how it goes! Please don't ruin the ending! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyhoyle Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 On 10/9/2024 at 11:39 AM, BobB said: I think what @forkemaz said is true it has advantages and disadvantages. If it had no advantages there is no way he could be competitive. Lets say take the weight advantage away. If he wrestled 174 how would he do? Probably the disadvantages of missing a limb is greater than the advantages of being physically stronger than your opponent in all other muscles. The training aspect and perseverance with a missing limb is the unique character trait of this champion. From what I hear the story is also about his mother. Being able to accomplish so much given the deck your dealt. Multiple time NCAA champion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted October 11 Author Share Posted October 11 19 hours ago, SNL Wrestling said: Anyways, there is a showing next week I bought tickets for. I’ll come here to let you all know how it goes! Where? Is it even going to be in theaters when it comes out I thought it was an Amazon Prime thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 39 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Where? Is it even going to be in theaters when it comes out I thought it was an Amazon Prime thing? Limited theatrical release starting 12/6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILLINIWrestlingBlog Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 On 9/11/2024 at 6:29 PM, forkemaz said: Excited to watch it. I think there are lots of cool moments in wrestling that would make great films and i hope this one inspires more. (Personally i want a movie about shane griffith and how he saved the stanford wrestling progamand several other sports in 2021) Also an ASU fan this will be extra sweet. Great idea! I would pay to watch that. Have Coach Alex Tirapelle play himself. He is an AMAZING actor. In the longer version of the video below, he went into some detail about what went down at Stanford, and it was a riveting story. The Shane Griffith saga layered on top of that, the underdog winning, fighting for his team, well, that's Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCinnabon Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 On 9/12/2024 at 11:05 PM, Chigachanuk said: Sorry, but I'll play the naysayer. Despite the fact that Robles wrestled with one leg, he had big time upper body advantage. Think about it: how much does a leg weigh? 35 pounds? So he had the upper body of a 170 pound man, which was very obvious. Yes he had moves, speed, and strength of a solid wrestler, but he also was hard to take down because he wrestled with one knee to the mat position which left his opponents not able to surprise Robles, . I think McD looked confuses as to where to attack and I think he suffered from what most Robles opponents did: "I don't want to take advantage of this guy, so I'll...........what?" Not taking anything away from Robles: he was an honest champ, but wrestling him was weird; his oponents looked confused. I am with you here. He weighed what he weighed due to having one leg but I have always said he was a 165lb guy wrestling 125lbs guys for all intents and purposes. I cannot believe he only won one title. His senior year it was just laughable watching him dominate everyone. The size difference was cartoonish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa morales Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Pull up slacker. Only did 2,200 in one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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