Hammerlock3 Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Big names who aren't qualified for the OTTs? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Just to rattle off some nice to see names: Ayala, Ramos, Crookham, Woods, Lovett, Ashnault, Deakin, Cenzo, IMar, Welsh, Beard, Moore, Davison 1 1
SocraTease Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) I heard (maybe wrongly) that qualified wrestlers have until March 25th to declare their intention to compete at Olympic Trials. Is that correct? If so, the Last Chance Qualifier isn't until something like April 6th and 7th. Is there an accessible registration list for it. Perhaps we might see a bunch of guys come out of the closet, so to speak, for it: IMAR, Cenzo, etc. I'm looking forward to learning at what weight some of the "tweeners" (e.g., Retherford) might go. Edited March 24 by SocraTease
bnwtwg Posted March 25 Posted March 25 People need to quit saying Imar unless they plan to see him at 97 and no one wants to see a 97kg Imar stuffed into a singlet... 1 i am an idiot on the internet
SocraTease Posted March 25 Posted March 25 It's a bit of a strange stretch that 2018 and 2019 World Team members (in addition to 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 World Team members)) automatically qualify for 2024 Olympic Trials. 2018 was 6 long years ago for folks like Colon, Garrett, and Steiber (who should have to re-qualify if they want to compete ... and in the case of two of them, they likely do not). Hmm. I wonder if Dan Gable is still qualified I understand the idea of being inclusive but if you want to field the best team, then U23 medalists (and not just U23 World champions) should also qualify and maybe even U20 medalists (not just champions). Both are international competitions unlike, say, Senior Nationals and could be more indicative of international success. Perhaps they should also include runner-ups and even 3rd place finishers at NCAAs. Yes, it's folkstyle not freestyle, but an increasing percentage of college and high school guys (and gals) compete in freestyle, and folkstyle is slowing moving toward some of the more freestyle rules. My 2 1/2 cents
misterchonger Posted March 25 Posted March 25 9 hours ago, bnwtwg said: People need to quit saying Imar unless they plan to see him at 97 and no one wants to see a 97kg Imar stuffed into a singlet... I don't know his current plans but I doubt we see him competitive again and that's a shame. I felt Imar would have broken through if he would have stayed in it but he had some life changes and that's the way it goes sometimes. His 2019 Final X series with JB was phenomenal.
Spladle08 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, misterchonger said: I don't know his current plans but I doubt we see him competitive again and that's a shame. I felt Imar would have broken through if he would have stayed in it but he had some life changes and that's the way it goes sometimes. His 2019 Final X series with JB was phenomenal. Not to make this an IMAR thread. But I don't think he would've ever had enough to be consistently effective on the world stage. From gas tank issues, to being kind of one dimensional. His approach gave Americans a lot of issues but I don't think it was going to translate. Just another Nick Marable, better than I'll ever be, but had a ceiling.
bnwtwg Posted March 25 Posted March 25 In all seriousness, Imar stepped away because he tore his shoulder out twice. That's a competitive career death sentence for pretty much everyone. 1 1 i am an idiot on the internet
Spladle08 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 33 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: In all seriousness, Imar stepped away because he tore his shoulder out twice. That's a competitive career death sentence for pretty much everyone. My shoulder has been "tweaked" for years. Every-time I roll with HS kids, its just a matter of time before it goes "Screw you" and I'm useless. Can't imagine having that feeling when you have immense talent and are striving towards something meaningful. Unspectular end of a spectacular rassler
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 25 Posted March 25 I thought IMar said earlier that he wasn't done, but I didn't know about his shoulder. That's tough. Also tough to catch shade from Cormier about your weight.
Masonbuckeye Posted March 25 Posted March 25 On 3/24/2024 at 2:21 PM, CHROMEBIRD said: Just to rattle off some nice to see names: Ayala, Ramos, Crookham, Woods, Lovett, Ashnault, Deakin, Cenzo, IMar, Welsh, Beard, Moore, Davison IMar at 125 Kilos 1 1
KCMO2 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 What's going on with J'Den? I haven't heard much about him for awhile. Is he still in the picture? A non-factor? Done?
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 25 Posted March 25 6 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: What's going on with J'Den? I haven't heard much about him for awhile. Is he still in the picture? A non-factor? Done? His name was mentioned during NCAAs at one of the ESPN broadcasts, someone said he's still training at Michigan/CK. He's qualified for trials but idk if anyone has said which weight he plans to go at 1
MinnesotaMustang Posted March 26 Posted March 26 13 hours ago, Spladle08 said: Not to make this an IMAR thread. But I don't think he would've ever had enough to be consistently effective on the world stage. From gas tank issues, to being kind of one dimensional. His approach gave Americans a lot of issues but I don't think it was going to translate. Just another Nick Marable, better than I'll ever be, but had a ceiling. Marable was a tweener. His ceiling was world champion. If you saw Imar this weekend, you’d know he has no plans of competing. Nothing against him, but he has clearly moved on. J’Den Cox will be at OTT. He was rolling with Davison at NCAA’s. My guess is 97kg. 1
ILLINIWrestlingBlog Posted March 26 Posted March 26 14 hours ago, Spladle08 said: Not to make this an IMAR thread. But I don't think he would've ever had enough to be consistently effective on the world stage. From gas tank issues, to being kind of one dimensional. His approach gave Americans a lot of issues but I don't think it was going to translate. Just another Nick Marable, better than I'll ever be, but had a ceiling. Whoa, my heart screams in pain. IMAR only came within ten seconds of beating Jordan Burroughs in a best two-of-three series when Burroughs was un-Dakeable and completely non-Taylorable. Moreover, a good underhook series was enough for Yazdani to win Olympic and World Championship Gold. 2 1 1
Truzzcat Posted March 26 Posted March 26 22 hours ago, SocraTease said: It's a bit of a strange stretch that 2018 and 2019 World Team members (in addition to 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 World Team members)) automatically qualify for 2024 Olympic Trials. 2018 was 6 long years ago for folks like Colon, Garrett, and Steiber (who should have to re-qualify if they want to compete ... and in the case of two of them, they likely do not). Hmm. I wonder if Dan Gable is still qualified I understand the idea of being inclusive but if you want to field the best team, then U23 medalists (and not just U23 World champions) should also qualify and maybe even U20 medalists (not just champions). Both are international competitions unlike, say, Senior Nationals and could be more indicative of international success. Perhaps they should also include runner-ups and even 3rd place finishers at NCAAs. Yes, it's folkstyle not freestyle, but an increasing percentage of college and high school guys (and gals) compete in freestyle, and folkstyle is slowing moving toward some of the more freestyle rules. My 2 1/2 cents I think its crazy that if you win a age level silver/bronze you are not qualified. Perhaps not at u17's but for instance Jesse was not qualified until he won NCAA's because of his junior world silver.
Spladle08 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 9 hours ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said: Whoa, my heart screams in pain. IMAR only came within ten seconds of beating Jordan Burroughs in a best two-of-three series when Burroughs was un-Dakeable and completely non-Taylorable. Moreover, a good underhook series was enough for Yazdani to win Olympic and World Championship Gold. He was close to doing the unthinkable, but training to beat one guy tends to be different than training to beat the world (see. Marstellar). I maintain, IMAR was a PHENOMENAL wrestler! Your name says it all, so I won't try to win a debate but..... no buts. Side note: Iranians learn an underhook series designed for freestyle success, like American's learn unnecessary motion. So Yaz = underhook basically applies to any Iranian who wins. But I get where you're going, sometimes being great at 1 thing is enough. Burroughs heck Cael, John Smith. They didn't have a lot but they had something unstoppable 2
Truzzcat Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Anthony Knox registered and Jax Forrest mentioned that he was hoping to wrestle in this after he beat Larkin at boarder brawl would be rather insane to have 2 high schoolers at the same weight (Lilledahl qualified by taking 5th at senior nats) and 3 in the tournament including mirasola.
Hammerlock3 Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 On 3/25/2024 at 8:28 AM, bnwtwg said: In all seriousness, Imar stepped away because he tore his shoulder out twice. That's a competitive career death sentence for pretty much everyone. Especially a jacked up guy like him, skinny guys seem to compensate better, and squatty guys are generally sturdier but its hard for them to heal. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
bnwtwg Posted March 26 Posted March 26 35 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: Especially a jacked up guy like him, skinny guys seem to compensate better, and squatty guys are generally sturdier but its hard for them to heal. Yeah very disappointing for his wrestling career. Hopefully he can adapt for his competitive eating journey. If anyone has the wherewithal to take down Joey Chestnut it is Inception Imar (an Imar within an Imar who ate Imar) 1 i am an idiot on the internet
Hammerlock3 Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 Just now, bnwtwg said: Yeah very disappointing for his wrestling career. Hopefully he can adapt for his competitive eating journey. If anyone has the wherewithal to take down Joey Chestnut it is Inception Imar (an Imar within an Imar who ate Imar) seen chris perry lately? 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
bnwtwg Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Just now, Hammerlock3 said: seen chris perry lately? That's how he has always naturally looked. No on seems to grasp just *how much* Uncle John makes his guys cut. I mean look at Cormier - no seriously, how much he cut for the Olympics was indicative. And Dieringer instantly going up to 79 post OkSt. And Pendleton. And Hendricks even moved up from 165 in college to 185 for UFC which is closer to 205 day of. OkSt redlines their weight management and it alters their lifestyles permanently when they get away. i am an idiot on the internet
ILLINIWrestlingBlog Posted March 26 Posted March 26 If Lucas Byrd is healed, it would be cool for him to enter Greco at 60kg. But maybe he just wants to get/stay healthy? Oh lawdy he'd be such a TIGER out there.
SocraTease Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2024 Last Chance OTT Qualifier Men's Freestyle Weight Name State Team 57 kg William Girard Pennsylvania 57 kg Alex Gorton Michigan 57 kg Nathan Desmond Pennsylvania 57 kg Tyshawn White Nebraska 57 kg Devin Gomez Colorado Western Colorado Wrestling Club 57 kg Killian Delaney Pennsylvania Lehigh Valley Wrestling Club 57 kg Cael Nasdeo Pennsylvania Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 57 kg Dalton Henderson Virginia Clinic Wrestling 57 kg Devan Turner Indiana Indiana RTC 57 kg Evan Tallmadge New Jersey 57 kg Brandon Courtney Arizona Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 57 kg Benyamin Kamali Michigan Olivet Wrestling Club 57 kg Anthony Knox New Jersey Rhino Wrestling LLC 65 kg Derek Guanajuato Arizona Tar Heel Wrestling Club 65 kg Peyton Harris Colorado Western Colorado Wrestling Club 65 kg Ruben Calderon Texas Paradigm Wrestling 65 kg Pierson Manville Pennsylvania 65 kg Michael McGee Illinois Virginia Beach Regional Training Center 65 kg Dayne Morton Minnesota West Coast Regional Training Center 65 kg Mike VanBrill New Jersey Scarlet Knights Wrestling Club 65 kg Anthony Ashnault New Jersey New York City RTC 65 kg Joshua Koderhandt Illinois Navy Wrestling Club 65 kg Matthew Kolodzik New Jersey New York Athletic Club 65 kg Caleb Poche Florida 74 kg Joseph Sealey Pennsylvania 74 kg Evan Delong Pennsylvania Clarion RTC 74 kg Grigor Cholakyan California Sunkist Kids Monster Garage 74 kg Charlie Millard Wisconsin Askren Wrestling Academy 74 kg Hassan Ajami Michigan 74 kg Jakob Bergeland Minnesota Gopher Wrestling Club - RTC 74 kg Isaiah White Illinois Indiana RTC 74 kg Nolan Liess New York X-Calibur Athletics Wrestling Club 74 kg Vincenzo Joseph Arizona Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 74 kg Joshua Shields Arizona Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 74 kg Alek Martinez Virginia NOVA Wrestling Club 74 kg Joseph DeMatteo Washington 86 kg Austin Hedrick Illinois 86 kg Alex Patton Indiana 86 kg Jason Carter New Jersey MontCo Wrestling Club 86 kg Owen Webster Minnesota Gopher Wrestling Club - RTC 86 kg Christian Louis Georgia Master Statesmen WC 86 kg Andrew Morgan New York Navy Wrestling Club 86 kg Alex Turley Virginia Cougar Wrestling Club 97 kg Camden McDanel Ohio 97 kg Nick Williams Arizona North Valley RTC 97 kg Cole Mirasola Wisconsin Askren Wrestling Academy 125 kg Braden Homsey North Carolina Iron Wrestling Club 125 kg Daniel Erekson Idaho Air Force Regional Training Center 125 kg Keith Miley Arkansas Arkansas Regional Training Center 125 kg Jordan Wood Pennsylvania New York Athletic Club 1
Hammerlock3 Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: That's how he has always naturally looked. No on seems to grasp just *how much* Uncle John makes his guys cut. I mean look at Cormier - no seriously, how much he cut for the Olympics was indicative. And Dieringer instantly going up to 79 post OkSt. And Pendleton. And Hendricks even moved up from 165 in college to 185 for UFC which is closer to 205 day of. OkSt redlines their weight management and it alters their lifestyles permanently when they get away. theres something true to that but its not that simple. Cormier was openly braggin about how much mcdonalds he was eating and how he was 30 pounds over weeks before he made weight and defauted at the olympics. I get that you can claim this behavior was the result of brain damage from cutting weight, but its also cormiers fault. Dieringer competed at 74 kilos for awhile, and the suspicious part of his accent after that isn't related to an eating disorder. And you'd be hard pressed to make a case that he or hendricks were at the wrong weight in college. Like I said there is something to it but its become a trope that just people just drop as if it was set in stone, when every instance has its own complexity. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
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