He Got Carvered Confusion

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, PSULou64 said:

I didn't really think Kasak would qualify?  He may be higher ranked but it's not like he's heavily favored or a seasoned veteran.  Heck he may not even be the starter according to Cael.

 

Just now, Hammerlock3 said:

IMHO for him to get carvered he's have to get majored or something. Him losing a one TD match doesn't qualify.

Yeah I don’t hate this take.  Although to be fair Mark Hall vs Alex Meyer was Hall’s first ever college dual.  I know not the same situation but if that’s a clear carvering then I think there’s an argument for Kasak to be an option

[Hammerlock3]

5 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

 

Yeah I don’t hate this take.  Although to be fair Mark Hall vs Alex Meyer was Hall’s first ever college dual.  I know not the same situation but if that’s a clear carvering then I think there’s an argument for Kasak to be an option

i don't think that counts as a carvering.....meyer was a returning AA, and Hall was a pretty boring wrestler his whole college career.

Edited February 9 by Hammerlock3

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

i don't think that counts as a carvering.....meyer was a returning AA, and Hall was a pretty boring wrestler his whole college career.

I didn’t realize Rathjen was ranked so high.  Flo has Kasak/Rathjen at 12/15 and Intermat has them at 10/12.  I think you’re right that it’s not a carvering unless he gets majored or something

[Hammerlock3]

7 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I didn’t realize Rathjen was ranked so high.  Flo has Kasak/Rathjen at 12/15 and Intermat has them at 10/12.  I think you’re right that it’s not a carvering unless he gets majored or something

or is up 4-1 with 90 seconds left and gives up 2 stalls and a TD for the loss....just trying to work out my definition...

[PortaJohn]

2 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

i don't want to be difficult, the conclusion of this paragraph contradicts the introduction. If you want to say its 50 different things fine, i wouldn't because it explains away the meaning of the expression, but you can't say its any number of things and then its a bunch of things which are perfectly balanced. 

Well, I'm not trying to get too metaphorical with this but there are many different ways to make a great stew with different ingredients.  A great stew doesn't always require carrots or potatoes   

Edited February 9 by PortaJohn

[PSULou64]

49 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Well, I'm not trying to get too metaphorical with this but there are many different ways to make a great stew with different ingredients.  A great stew doesn't always require carrots or potatoes   

I would say a great stew has to have at least carrots or potatoes.  Having neither is just meat sitting in gravy.

[jchapman]

Did Brooks get Carvered (or reverse-Carvered)?  Big time swagger in front of loud home crowd, razor close dual meet, gets a little too confident on his shot and gets pinned in a junior high move.

[Dogbone]

11 hours ago, PSULou64 said:

I would say a great stew has to have at least carrots or potatoes.  Having neither is just meat sitting in gravy.

Meat in gravy... You have my attention. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

18 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I agree that not every "lower ranked guy beats higher ranked guy" is a Carvering.  Carvering will not be if Franek beats Haines, it will be if like Glazier beats Brooks.

If Franek majors Haines and Haines falls apart in the third?  Would that be a Carvering?

[PortaJohn]

13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

If Franek majors Haines and Haines falls apart in the third?  Would that be a Carvering?

Absolutely 

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, jchapman said:

Did Brooks get Carvered (or reverse-Carvered)?  Big time swagger in front of loud home crowd, razor close dual meet, gets a little too confident on his shot and gets pinned in a junior high move.

Nah, he was a heavy underdog but to Sammy's credit he left college wrestling with some of it's most iconic moments

[VakAttack]

22 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

If Franek majors Haines and Haines falls apart in the third?  Would that be a Carvering?

Yes!  Context matters, so that's a fair point.

[jchapman]

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

Nah, he was a heavy underdog but to Sammy's credit he left college wrestling with some of it's most iconic moments

Ok, how about RBY making Desanto tap out?  Reverse Carvered?

[strange_daze]

I think a key element of 'Carvering' involves chaos and usually disorientation of some sort.

It is often a 'mismatch' between two competitors (e.g., Schwabby and Guerrero), but necessary to the situation, I think, is a moment where something goes haywire: e.g., a wrestler bonks out in the third; a ref calls stalling or intervenes in the match in some other way; the score or riding time clock is incorrect; etc. The crowd plays a necessary and critical role in these moments: by getting really loud and making it difficult for said wrestlers and refs and staff to orient to the match and do what they came to do. I think the example of Sammy Brooks and Bo Nickal is actually a good example of the lesser known phenomenon of 'anti-Carvering': a talented and cool-headed star is unrattled by the environment and masters the chaos through his own unconventional technique. One can compare this, too, to 'near-Carvering': for instance when Brandon Sorensen almost got one on Zain.

I should probably go back to work.

[PortaJohn]

6 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Ok, how about RBY making Desanto tap out?  Reverse Carvered?

That's a good one