Trump: President must have total immunity, even from events that cross the line

[JimmyBT]

42 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

He did make that argument when asked.  You not liking a question doesn't make it irrational.  You can try to drag this into a semantics debate all you want, just keep ignoring what Trump said about "crossing a line."  Nothing bad ever happens when we just ignore things.

If Ifs and buts we’re candy and nuts.   It is all semantics and intent. Which in answering that questions there’s zero intent.  

[JimmyBT]

Any normal person that reads into what he says about crossing the line knows it means killing in general. Many people think killing the Iranian general was crossing the line.   Many don’t.  There are people that think killing bin laden was crossing the line. Most people don’t.   Leave it to the good lawyers 

[JimmyBT]

Shoot for the stars, land on the moon is in lawyer tactics 101. Any lawyer outside of traffic court knows that. 

[Offthemat]

51 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

He did make that argument when asked.  You not liking a question doesn't make it irrational.  You can try to drag this into a semantics debate all you want, just keep ignoring what Trump said about "crossing a line."  Nothing bad ever happens when we just ignore things.

Semantics would more appropriately describe the judge’s questioning.  Sauer’s answer follows established doctrine.  It is OLC policy that a president cannot be indicted while in office. 
 

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/24/20708393/robert-mueller-report-trump-olc-justice-department-indictment-charge-sitting-president

And removal of the president is guided by the Constitution.  

[mspart]

Can the President be prosecuted for any act that he was not impeached and convicted for?   Perhaps that is the question. 

mspart

[Offthemat]

10 minutes ago, mspart said:

Can the President be prosecuted for any act that he was not impeached and convicted for?   Perhaps that is the question. 

mspart

Can the president be impeached after he leaves office?

[mspart]

33 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Can the president be impeached after he leaves office?

I would say no, because he is no longer president.   Pres Trump was impeached the second time on Jan 13, some 7  days before he vacated the Presidency.   It was a crass move on Pelosi's part but she did that. 

Impeaching on the 13th in hopes of kicking him out before he vacates 7 days later is an idiotic move.  

mspart

[WrestlingRasta]

Any argument that says a President/former President can’t be prosecuted for crimes against the country is…….funny. Completely inaccurate, but funny. 
 

There’s a difference between “prosecuted while in office”, and “prosecuted for crimes committed while in office”. 

[JimmyBT]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Any argument that says a President/former President can’t be prosecuted for crimes against the country is…….funny. Completely inaccurate, but funny. 
 

There’s a difference between “prosecuted while in office”, and “prosecuted for crimes committed while in office”. 

Nice ***I'm not very creative and act like a 5 year old*** comment. You’re good at it. 

[JimmyBT]

7 hours ago, VakAttack said:

In what way is it a misrepresentation.

Implied intent. Pretty simple 

[JimmyBT]

6 hours ago, VakAttack said:

That's not...holy shit, it seems impossible to be this obtuse, but here you are.  His lawyers are arguing he would be immune if he did.  He endorsed that idea himself above, and has literally previously made statements about shooting people.  That's literally the whole point of this thread.  This is who he is, and he truly believes he is above the law.  He outright says it.

His lawyers answered a question. His statement can be interpreted in a number of ways that aren’t yours.  You have nothing but your opinion and speculation on who he is and what he believes.  He doesn’t say shit about what he WOULD do.  

[ThreePointTakedown]

On 1/18/2024 at 10:03 PM, ionel said:

What about Obama ordering the assassination of a US citizen on foreign soil, should that be covered or can he now be prosecuted? 

For a war crime, sure. 

Is that likely to happen? No. Because we don't abide by those courts. If we did, we might roll back our military a bit. Who wants to see that happen? Raise your hands!

[ThreePointTakedown]

He's advocating for a position that directly puts his life in danger if implemented. Not sure he thought that out or he knows that the person who currently sits in the chair(46) won't stoop to the level of taking him out like he(45) has already mused about doing to his enemies on a number of occasions. Funny how that works.