Good for her

[WrestlingRasta]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/abc-calls-off-next-gop-221210698.html

I want to see a debate with the final three. 

[mspart]

It won't get her anywhere and allows DeSantis free reign to discuss his policy objectives unfettered ( my new word of the day!!). 

mspart

Edited January 16, 2024 by mspart

[Offthemat]

Polls showed that about half of haley’s Iowa voters were democrats and would vote for Biden over Trump. 

[mspart]

That should make  her feel better. 

mspart

[WrestlingRasta]

There are definitely some not in favor, some don’t want to see their King challenged. 

[Husker_Du]

Haley is likable (imo) but she's a fraud and she's being propped up by the left. 

one county in iowa ran out of party-change forms b/c dems were trying to get her traction. 

[Ohio Elite]

Nikki is Hillary Clinton 2.0.  Just a little more attractive. 

[flyingcement]

  On 1/17/2024 at 3:22 AM, Husker_Du said:

Haley is likable (imo) but she's a fraud and she's being propped up by the left. 

one county in iowa ran out of party-change forms b/c dems were trying to get her traction. 

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Is Haley being propped up by the left? I'm not arguing against it, but I just haven't seen it myself.  On the opposite side, Dean Phillips seems like he's being propped up by the right, but I feel like he has been saying a lot of the right things.

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 1/17/2024 at 5:52 AM, flyingcement said:

Is Haley being propped up by the left? I'm not arguing against it, but I just haven't seen it myself.  On the opposite side, Dean Phillips seems like he's being propped up by the right, but I feel like he has been saying a lot of the right things.

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She’s not being propped up by the left. MAGA just starting their thing because shes challenging Trump and the sheep are falling in herd. She’s the most dangerous to Biden because she’s the only one of the three who can pull from the middle.  Part of why she’s my favorite of the three. 
 

Who currently running for president is not a fraud? Name one??

[Ohio Elite]

  On 1/17/2024 at 5:52 AM, flyingcement said:

Is Haley being propped up by the left? I'm not arguing against it, but I just haven't seen it myself.  On the opposite side, Dean Phillips seems like he's being propped up by the right, but I feel like he has been saying a lot of the right things.

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Yes, she's the only Republican candidate the MSM seems to like. 

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 1/17/2024 at 12:59 PM, Ohio Elite said:

Yes, she's the only Republican candidate the MSM seems to like. 

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Could that be because of her approach and ideals make her the only attractive candidate outside of MAGA, instead of being “pumped by the left?   
 

Honest question, cuz I don’t see her being pumped by the left. This stuff about democrats in Iowa was started and pushed by Josh Hall, a convicted felon for fraud and threatening to kill a congressman.  Not exactly a great source of information. 

[Ohio Elite]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:07 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

Could that be because of her approach and ideals make her the only attractive candidate outside of MAGA, instead of being “pumped by the left?   
 

Honest question, cuz I don’t see her being pumped by the left. This stuff about democrats in Iowa was started and pushed by Josh Hall, a convicted felon for fraud and threatening to kill a congressman.  Not exactly a great source of information. 

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I don't know much about the Iowa stuff. What I do know is she's an establishment shill who is beholden to her donors. She's a war hawk and her speeches come across super cringe and not well thought out.  However I would begrudgingly vote for her over Biden or Newsom.

[Ohio Elite]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:07 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

Could that be because of her approach and ideals make her the only attractive candidate outside of MAGA, instead of being “pumped by the left?   
 

Honest question, cuz I don’t see her being pumped by the left. This stuff about democrats in Iowa was started and pushed by Josh Hall, a convicted felon for fraud and threatening to kill a congressman.  Not exactly a great source of information. 

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Being that DeSantis is your governor. I'm curious on your thoughts of him.

[JimmyBT]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:17 PM, Ohio Elite said:

I don't know much about the Iowa stuff. What I do know is she's an establishment shill who is beholden to her donors. She's a war hawk and her speeches come across super cringe and not well thought out.  However I would begrudgingly vote for her over Biden or Newsom.

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Whomever the candidate on the right is will be better than Biden 

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:34 PM, Ohio Elite said:

Being that DeSantis is your governor. I'm curious on your thoughts of him.

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I was a fan for a bit. Then he started moving further and further away from center, trying to hone in on a subset of republicans. Not a fan of some of the  things he’s done/said in the run up to campaign.  There are certainly more serious issues in Florida that need attention than some of the stuff he’s seemed focused on. 

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:17 PM, Ohio Elite said:

I don't know much about the Iowa stuff. What I do know is she's an establishment shill who is beholden to her donors. She's a war hawk and her speeches come across super cringe and not well thought out.  However I would begrudgingly vote for her over Biden or Newsom.

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I don’t know of a current presidential candidate who is not an establishment shill beholden to their donors…..or worse. 

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:44 PM, JimmyBT said:

Whomever the candidate on the right is will be better than Biden 

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I wouldn’t go with whomever, but I would go with most. 

[JimmyBT]

  On 1/17/2024 at 1:50 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

I wouldn’t go with whomever, but I would go with most. 

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I haven’t voted for trump in the past.  Him vs Biden in 2024. That changes. 

[JimmyBT]

A bad as Biden has been its nothing compared to what he’ll be like as a lame duck President. 

[WrestlingRasta]

Agree to disagree. 
 

I didn’t vote the president line in the last two elections.  And I’ve never voted democrat for president.  Both could possibly change.  

[JimmyBT]

I have voted Dem in the past. Even once for Obama.  Never again.  This country will never recover if Biden has four more years. 

Edited January 17, 2024 by JimmyBT

[Ohio Elite]

  On 1/17/2024 at 2:08 PM, JimmyBT said:

I have voted Dem in the past. Even once for Obama.  Never again.  This country will never recover if Biden has four more years. 

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I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary, hoping Hillary wouldn't win my state. She won anyway.

[JimmyBT]

  On 1/17/2024 at 2:14 PM, Ohio Elite said:

I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary, hoping Hillary wouldn't win my state. She won anyway.

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Your choices were almost as bad as our choices for President are now . It just amazes me what we end up with for choices. 

Edited January 17, 2024 by JimmyBT

[WrestlingRasta]

I appreciate what he has done to a) bring us back to a good track from the depths we were in from 2020, and b) improve our standing and respect around the world. 
 

I’m sure I’m going to be flooded with posts from Twitter, WSJ, thehill to counter what I said above, but while everyone follows what their respective media tells them to think I like to focus more on the raw data. That said, there’s a difference between coming back, and pushing forward.  Once you’re back the agenda becomes much more push forward, and to your point it’s those push forward ideals that would concern me. 

Edited January 17, 2024 by WrestlingRasta

[JimmyBT]

Your first paragraph says enough about you that there’s no need to flood you with anything. It’s nothing more than an opinion and a terrible one at that.