Pipewrench Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Another way to incentivize scoring in the first period. If no score then it would go to coin flip or fall back to odd or even matches. Thoughts or stupic idea? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I don’t hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MushroomKing Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Not bad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gantry Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) I like it, simple and easy to implement. Edited January 13 by Gantry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) PipeWrench from 3....Drains it! Edited January 13 by PortaJohn 2 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: PipeWrench from 3....Drains it! Where is Ban? We need ya bud! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, ionel said: Where is Ban? We need ya bud! He's probably out there right now yelling at the neighborhood kids for making snow angels on his front lawn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, Pipewrench said: Another way to incentivize scoring in the first period. If no score then it would go to coin flip or fall back to odd or even matches. Thoughts or stupic idea? Not a big change. Is it really that big of an advantage to have choice in the 2nd. Have there ever been instances where somebody thought.. I would have won if only I had won that coin flip for choice 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 If you really want to get spicy give the leading scorer choice in the second AND third period Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Huge change. I mean it won’t impact any match whatsoever but it will: 1. give commentators one more thing to get wrong every match. 2. give posters here one more thing to comment on every time it isn’t stated correctly. Damn these announcers are bad on ESPN+/flo bla bla. 3. give casual fans one more reason to think damn this is confusing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jim L said: Is it really that big of an advantage to have choice in the 2nd. Absolutely. Especially between opponents at an equal level. Say wrestler A goes into the 2nd period with a lead 3-1 or 3-0. He can defer knowing he'll go on top & if he can achieve building riding time he'll force wrestler B to cut him loose early in the 3rd period. Theoretically wrestler A is up 4-2, 4-1, or even 4-0 with riding time(essentially making it 5-0) with all the advantages in the 3rd. Edited January 13 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 39 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Absolutely. Especially between opponents at an equal level. Say wrestler A goes into the 2nd period with a lead 3-1 or 3-0. He can defer knowing he'll go on top & if he can achieve building riding time he'll force wrestler B to cut him loose early in the 3rd period. Theoretically wrestler A is up 4-2, 4-1, or even 4-0 with riding time(essentially making it 5-0) with all the advantages in the 3rd. Yeah, I get how it works. Assuming that you wrestled, do you ever remember feeling a disadvantaged because you didn't have choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Jim L said: Yeah, I get how it works. Assuming that you wrestled, do you ever remember feeling a disadvantaged because you didn't have choice. Yes. I feel strategically if im going to be in a 1-0 win match, in the 3rd period its easier to get and escape and not get taken down, than it is to ride someone for the final 2 min of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: Yes. I feel strategically if im going to be in a 1-0 win match, in the 3rd period its easier to get and escape and not get taken down, than it is to ride someone for the final 2 min of the match. I get the hypotheticals. But do you ever remember personally thinking you lost a match because you didn't have choice? Edited January 13 by Jim L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Caveira said: Huge change. I mean it won’t impact any match whatsoever but it will: 1. give commentators one more thing to get wrong every match. 2. give posters here one more thing to comment on every time it isn’t stated correctly. Damn these announcers are bad on ESPN+/flo bla bla. 3. give casual fans one more reason to think damn this is confusing. This would actually make it easier for casual fans to know who has choice in the second. Just maybe not the third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, Jim L said: Yeah, I get how it works. Assuming that you wrestled, do you ever remember feeling a disadvantaged because you didn't have choice. Yes, theres a lot of psychology and strategy that goes into wrestling when you start competing at higher levels. I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 23 minutes ago, Jim L said: I get the hypotheticals. But do you ever remember personally thinking you lost a match because you didn't have choice? I literally gave you the secnario. And yes it happened to me. I had a rival in high school where we always wrestled close matches. I was 4-1 against him. The one loss took place because of that exact scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 19 minutes ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: I literally gave you the secnario. And yes it happened to me. I had a rival in high school where we always wrestled close matches. I was 4-1 against him. The one loss took place because of that exact scenario. You literally gave me a hypothetical. Now you have given an actual situation, so I can accept that some people feel it is an advantage. I don't ever recall it being a big deal to me. I also don't remember it ever being discussed as being a factor in NCAA championship match.,.. i e my guy would have won if the coin flip went his way. And it seems every other "what if' scenario is discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 37 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Yes, theres a lot of psychology and strategy that goes into wrestling when you start competing at higher levels. So you personally remember coin flips going against you being a big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanOfPurdueWrestling Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 6 hours ago, Jim L said: You literally gave me a hypothetical. Now you have given an actual situation, so I can accept that some people feel it is an advantage. I don't ever recall it being a big deal to me. I also don't remember it ever being discussed as being a factor in NCAA championship match.,.. i e my guy would have won if the coin flip went his way. And it seems every other "what if' scenario is discussed I second this. I actually don’t even really understand why it matters at all. Everyone gets their chance to choose. 1 I am very active on X: https://x.com/WrestlingSNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 6 hours ago, Jim L said: You literally gave me a hypothetical. Now you have given an actual situation, so I can accept that some people feel it is an advantage. I don't ever recall it being a big deal to me. I also don't remember it ever being discussed as being a factor in NCAA championship match.,.. i e my guy would have won if the coin flip went his way. And it seems every other "what if' scenario is discussed In my first post it was the scenario, but since you want to play semantics, all scenarios can be hypothetical. In very tight matchs between two very close competitors having choice absolutely can effect momentum and 3rd period strategies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetonHallPirate Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Agree in a tournament, disagree in a dual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 14 hours ago, Jim L said: You literally gave me a hypothetical. Now you have given an actual situation, so I can accept that some people feel it is an advantage. I don't ever recall it being a big deal to me. I also don't remember it ever being discussed as being a factor in NCAA championship match.,.. i e my guy would have won if the coin flip went his way. And it seems every other "what if' scenario is discussed I recall a couple matches so far this year where a guy is down by 1 or tied with choice going into the third, but the other guy has around 45-50 seconds of riding time. If it was the second period and before the other guy was able to get that RT, maybe he chooses down, but now he chooses neutral. Of course the 3 point TD also impacts this decision. On a related note, I feel like more guys don’t defer in the second than I would expect. I pretty much always deferred unless it was 0-0. Edited January 14 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 hours ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: In my first post it was the scenario, but since you want to play semantics, all scenarios can be hypothetical. In very tight matchs between two very close competitors having choice absolutely can effect momentum and 3rd period strategies. No . I don't want to play semantics. I understand how theoretically it could matter. I was asking for people's real life experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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