Getting matches during the season.

[Threadkilla]

I've been a long time PSU fan and season ticket holder,  my only pet peeve is often guys enter the post season with 10-15 matches under their belt heading into B10s.  Most of them pick up a bunch of matches in March  They may get a half dozen matches in early season tournaments, Clarion, Black Knight and Journeyman etc  as well as 6-8 duals.    Rarely do you see a guy with 30 matches at the end of the year. Cael averaged 39 matches a year when he wrestled.    Mesenbrink has 9 matches this year so far and is the pace setter for the nits.  

Lock Haven on the other hand always has guys that have wrestled over 40 matches every year.  Marstellor wrestled 79 matches his two years there.   LHU's 174lb Conner Eck has 25 matches already .  

[Hammerlock3]

it cause the season is too long. coaches are pulling back, and the result is weekends like last weekend where we are a month into th season and there just isn't a lot going on....

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

32 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

I've been a long time PSU fan and season ticket holder,  my only pet peeve is often guys enter the post season with 10-15 matches under their belt heading into B10s.  Most of them pick up a bunch of matches in March  They may get a half dozen matches in early season tournaments, Clarion, Black Knight and Journeyman etc  as well as 6-8 duals.    Rarely do you see a guy with 30 matches at the end of the year. Cael averaged 39 matches a year when he wrestled.    Mesenbrink has 9 matches this year so far and is the pace setter for the nits.  

Lock Haven on the other hand always has guys that have wrestled over 40 matches every year.  Marstellor wrestled 79 matches his two years there.   LHU's 174lb Conner Eck has 25 matches already .  

Maybe they should add absolute number of wins as a seeding criteria?

[Threadkilla]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Maybe they should add absolute number of wins as a seeding criteria?

Not the point.  College wrestling is a product.  As a fan I would like to see wrestlers compete.  Some say the season is too long,  But the majority of the wrestling is taking place in February and March.   Fix only has 1 match.  Did he dodge Crookham?  Wrestlers need to wrestle.  

[alex1fly]

I agree as this is what I'm used to from being a fan in the 90s and 00s. At least 20 matches per guy barring injury. These days for better or worse it's a strategy to rest your guys until the end of the season, win big at NCAAs, and then preserve your high rankings in the following season by resting your guys while letting others knock each other off the top spots, etc. This is where I like the idea of a pre-season tournament to establish rankings... new season, new rankings. It'll never happen but interesting to think about.

Is there not already a minimum match or minimum win requirement to go to NCAAs? 

 

[11986]

2 hours ago, Threadkilla said:

 

Lock Haven on the other hand always has guys that have wrestled over 40 matches every year.  Marstellor wrestled 79 matches his two years there.   LHU's 174lb Conner Eck has 25 matches already .  

Lock Haven coach Scott Moore wrestled a ton of matches at Penn St and UVA. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by 11986

[flyingcement]

Among top teams, Ohio State guys seem to have a good amount of matches.  They also seem to have matches which are available on some sort of stream.

[Threadkilla]

1 hour ago, alex1fly said:

I agree as this is what I'm used to from being a fan in the 90s and 00s. At least 20 matches per guy barring injury. These days for better or worse it's a strategy to rest your guys until the end of the season, win big at NCAAs, and then preserve your high rankings in the following season by resting your guys while letting others knock each other off the top spots, etc. This is where I like the idea of a pre-season tournament to establish rankings... new season, new rankings. It'll never happen but interesting to think about.

Is there not already a minimum match or minimum win requirement to go to NCAAs? 

 

I don't think there is a minimum,  but I may be wrong.  Kerk had 2 matches going into B10's in 2021 one varsity and one extra match.,  I don't know if there was an allocated spot for him or if he took someones elses allocation.   He wouldn't have qualified for a wildcard.

[Hammerlock3]

The expression "getting matches" is very much a high school thing IMHO, especially now that everyone is on their high horses preaching about how you should compete till your 17. Once they get to college there aren't a lot of guys whose trajectory is gonna change based on mat time. 

[Threadkilla]

9 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Among top teams, Ohio State guys seem to have a good amount of matches.  They also seem to have matches which are available on some sort of stream.

They have quite a few more matches than PSU and are wrestling in the collegiate duals on 12/19 with 3 duals.  PSU is off until 1/05.

[flyingcement]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

The expression "getting matches" is very much a high school thing IMHO, especially now that everyone is on their high horses preaching about how you should compete till your 17. Once they get to college there aren't a lot of guys whose trajectory is gonna change based on mat time. 

That's true, but now with NIL in play, I wonder how much folks will consider "bang for their buck" vs just maximizing the chances of points at nationals (maybe that's the bang they are looking for).  If athletes are truly brand ambassadors, I would think it would help for them to be as visible as possible

[Hammerlock3]

Just now, flyingcement said:

That's true, but now with NIL in play, I wonder how much folks will consider "bang for their buck" vs just maximizing the chances of points at nationals (maybe that's the bang they are looking for).  If athletes are truly brand ambassadors, I would think it would help for them to be as visible as possible

yeah thats a great point, and its why duals (actually duels) have to matter. you can't cradle your studs if you need them every week. The NCAA should basically do a college football thing and three weeks later do the individual and not score it. Does anyone really think those guys wouldn't wrestle as hard at the individual tournament if there wasn't a team race?

[Threadkilla]

25 minutes ago, 11986 said:

Lock Haven coach Scott Moore wrestled a ton of matches at Penn St and UVA. 

He and his brother always had gawdy match counts.  Scott  had 30+ pins at UVA as a  senior. 

[11986]

Just now, Threadkilla said:

He and his brother always had gawdy match counts.  Scott  had 30+ pins at UVA as a  senior. 

One of the best single seasons for any wrestler that did not win the championship. 

[Threadkilla]

2 minutes ago, 11986 said:

One of the best single seasons for any wrestler that did not win the championship. 

I remember he got smoked by Cliff Moore

[Hammerlock3]

6 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

I remember he got smoked by Cliff Moore

way to drop the one fact everyone knows...

[11986]

5 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

I remember he got smoked by Cliff Moore

He did. But was still an awesome season with all those pins and 50 or so wins. Cliff was a stylistic match- up problem, that’s the way it goes sometimes, but Scott was going to be the Hodge winner until that happened. 

[Threadkilla]

1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

way to drop the one fact everyone knows...

Move out of your parents basement you dweeb.   You haven't changed in 15 years on these boards.  

[Hammerlock3]

2 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

Move out of your parents basement you dweeb.   You haven't changed in 15 years on these boards.  

but you know me.....

i just don't like it that someone made a fairly interesting point and you tried to trump them with a fact he was obviously already aware of...which is completely uninteresting. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Hammerlock3

[Threadkilla]

1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

but you know me.....

Unfortunately

[Hammerlock3]

Just now, Threadkilla said:

Unfortunately

thank god you're a tough guy you'll get over it.

[Le duke]

I don't think there is a minimum,  but I may be wrong.  Kerk had 2 matches going into B10's in 2021 one varsity and one extra match.,  I don't know if there was an allocated spot for him or if he took someones elses allocation.   He wouldn't have qualified for a wildcard.

That wasn’t by choice. He had a staph infection that had him in the hospital for a week. I’m sure he would’ve preferred to have had 13+ going into B1Gs but that wasn’t in the cards.


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[Hammerlock3]

6 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

Move out of your parents basement you dweeb.   You haven't changed in 15 years on these boards.  

btw I can't resist, by your logic you live in your parent's basement too right? you've been stalking me for 15 years apparently!

[JVStateChamp]

IMO coaches are taking a different approach to the season and do not see matches as valuable as they once did. The old thought was to give their athletes competitions and tournaments as close to an NCAA simulation as possible. Now they believe that those peaks and valleys of a season can be accomplished in the practice room rather than traveling and competing in 30+ matches which also limits the amount of times their athletes have to weigh in. This makes for a lesser product throughout the season, we have seen tournaments like the Scuffle and Midlands have a huge decline because of the lack of importance of in-season matches. This may be a case where two things are true at once, 1. the wrestlers may be more healthy and more fresh come March because of the lack of weigh-ins and travel from Nov. to March, 2. This makes it hard to promote a product is trying to become more and more relevant. 

[nhs67]

The expression "getting matches" is a high school thing, in my professional opinion - especially now that everyone is on their high horse preaching about how you shouldn't compete until you're 17.

Once they get to college there aren't a lot of guys whose trajectory is going to change based on competitive mat time.