Iowa's lack of religiousness hurting them?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

We all know how vocal the Penn State roster can be about giving all the glory to God - see recent examples Bo Nickal, Jason Nolf, Greg Kerkvliet and most of all Aaron "No False Prophets" Brooks.

But check out this recent quote from Penn State transferee Mitchell Mesenbrink about the "type of people he [wants] to be around every day":  "They love wrestling but their only value isn’t in wrestling - they have God at the center of their life…they don’t place winning over everything.” 

Clearly Penn State's religious culture is a big draw for similar-thinking recruits.  By contrast I don't hear the same religious fervor at teams like Iowa.  Could this be hurting them with elite recruits, who are often very devout in their religious practices?

 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Jimmy Cinnabon

[TylerDurden]

2/10 trolling

[pokemonster]

I mean... True

[1032004]

Jesus trained Marinelli too but he must’ve been spending more time with the PSU guys

[AgaveMaria]

Religion is toxic. Exclusionism and hate are the main results.

More people are killed due to Religion than any other cause.

[Not134]

You either want to go to Pen(n)uel or you don't.

[98lberEating2Lunches]

1 hour ago, AgaveMaria said:

Religion is toxic. Exclusionism and hate are the main results.

More people are killed due to Religion than any other cause.

Did you know the US Naval Academy encourages its recruits to engage a religion, if they aren't already?

They don't care which, just pick one and it will be supported on the base.

The US Marine motto, "For God, Corps, County" wouldn't make sense without this practice.

Oh, and that it's military isn't lost on me with respect to the second sentence.  Sort of interesting though that you used the word "killed" over "murdered."

[Bigbrog]

3 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Religion is toxic. Exclusionism and hate are the main results.

More people are killed due to Religion than any other cause.

More people are killed by...PEOPLE...religion is not the root cause of people killing people

 

[TylerDurden]

We should lock this thread asap. 

[Bigbrog]

1 minute ago, TylerDurden said:

We should lock this thread asap. 

What's the first rule of Forum Club?

[TylerDurden]

1 minute ago, Bigbrog said:

What's the first rule of Forum Club?

There is no Forum Club. 

[CHROMEBIRD]

The ironic thing is the effect that portal poaching, especially for 1-2 season guys, will have on the program's culture longer term. RBY said that the current group doesn't really hang out like previous PSU teams did. They put in their work and then do their own thing. And yeah, "wrestling is an individual sport" blah blah, but RBY also noted that earlier teams had a different chemistry, like Nolf, Zain, Cenzo, those guys were all tight friends and actually had fun at PSU. Now it's more like a job. That's fine, but it's also where problems like HEW, not making sacrifices for the team, and other bad outcomes happen.

Ironically, Iowa is ridiculed for being the least "fun" place to be, but the guys all seem to be close friends outside the room (the Ayala incident was just bizarre and sounded like a one-off) and have a stronger culture without all the religious stuff. 

[PSUSMC]

4 hours ago, 98lberEating2Lunches said:

The US Marine motto, "For God, Corps, County" wouldn't make sense without this practice.

The motto of the United States Marine Corps is "Semper Fidelis", which is Always Faithful in Latin.

Unit, Corps, God, Country is more folklore than saying.  Regardless, it is not the motto.

[pcostilow]

6 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

More people are killed due to Religion than any other cause.

This is ahistorical, and by magnitudes.

[Not134]

2 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

The ironic thing is the effect that portal poaching, especially for 1-2 season guys, will have on the program's culture longer term. RBY said that the current group doesn't really hang out like previous PSU teams did. They put in their work and then do their own thing. And yeah, "wrestling is an individual sport" blah blah, but RBY also noted that earlier teams had a different chemistry, like Nolf, Zain, Cenzo, those guys were all tight friends and actually had fun at PSU. Now it's more like a job. That's fine, but it's also where problems like HEW, not making sacrifices for the team, and other bad outcomes happen.

Ironically, Iowa is ridiculed for being the least "fun" place to be, but the guys all seem to be close friends outside the room (the Ayala incident was just bizarre and sounded like a one-off) and have a stronger culture without all the religious stuff. 

Nothing against RBY and, say, Starocci...but these are two guys that don't exactly project friendly.  Maybe they are different as teammates.

[Tripnsweep]

21 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

We all know how vocal the Penn State roster can be about giving all the glory to God - see recent examples Bo Nickal, Jason Nolf, Greg Kerkvliet and most of all Aaron "No False Prophets" Brooks.

But check out this recent quote from Penn State transferee Mitchell Mesenbrink about the "type of people he [wants] to be around every day":  "They love wrestling but their only value isn’t in wrestling - they have God at the center of their life…they don’t place winning over everything.” 

Clearly Penn State's religious culture is a big draw for similar-thinking recruits.  By contrast I don't hear the same religious fervor at teams like Iowa.  Could this be hurting them with elite recruits, who are often very devout in their religious practices?

 

The shoes had been there for as long as anyone could remember. In fact, it was difficult for anyone to come up with a date they had first appeared. It had seemed they'd always been there and yet they seemed so out of place. Why nobody had removed them was a question that had been asked time and again, but while they all thought it, nobody had ever found the energy to actually do it. So, the shoes remained on the steps, out of place in one sense, but perfectly normal in another.

[scourge165]

21 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

We all know how vocal the Penn State roster can be about giving all the glory to God - see recent examples Bo Nickal, Jason Nolf, Greg Kerkvliet and most of all Aaron "No False Prophets" Brooks.

But check out this recent quote from Penn State transferee Mitchell Mesenbrink about the "type of people he [wants] to be around every day":  "They love wrestling but their only value isn’t in wrestling - they have God at the center of their life…they don’t place winning over everything.” 

Clearly Penn State's religious culture is a big draw for similar-thinking recruits.  By contrast I don't hear the same religious fervor at teams like Iowa.  Could this be hurting them with elite recruits, who are often very devout in their religious practices?

 

And this came from Mitchell Messenbrink you say?

[scourge165]

10 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

More people are killed by...PEOPLE...religion is not the root cause of people killing people

 

I don't want to take this totally off topic, but this is like a "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Ok...sure. But the gun also helps.

Isn't Religion QUITE often the reason FOR the people killing people? Certainly in a historical sense, but even today...it's a pretty big deal. 

Things are quite a bit different now though. A cartoon insulting Jesus would have gotten you killed 500 years ago...now it's called Family Guy(or the Simpsons or Ricky and Marty or whatever it is).

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

36 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

And this came from Mitchell Messenbrink you say?

Yes that’s a quote from Mitchell. 

[Not134]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

I don't want to take this totally off topic, but this is like a "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Ok...sure. But the gun also helps.

Isn't Religion QUITE often the reason FOR the people killing people? Certainly in a historical sense, but even today...it's a pretty big deal. 

Things are quite a bit different now though. A cartoon insulting Jesus would have gotten you killed 500 years ago...now it's called Family Guy(or the Simpsons or Ricky and Marty or whatever it is).

I'm not sure there were cartoons 500 years ago, but I do know that a cartoon of a certain prophet might get you in a pickle today.  And they say right-wing Christians are nuts...bah!

[TylerDurden]

31 minutes ago, Not134 said:

I'm not sure there were cartoons 500 years ago, but I do know that a cartoon of a certain prophet might get you in a pickle today.  And they say right-wing Christians are nuts...bah!

More than one thing can be true. 

 

[1032004]

So this might actually be a thing?

[1032004]

Well maybe more accurately, is PSU’s religiousness helping them?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So this might actually be a thing?

On Nagao’s interview he mentions God and faith like 40 times. It was THE reason he picked Penn State over Iowa. 

Edited April 25, 2023 by Jimmy Cinnabon

[headshuck]

I’m not sure “it’s so goddamn cold in Minnesota I had to head somewhere warmer for chrissakes” is religious.